Purdue @ Michigan plays (Video)

[just another ref]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

There appears to be some arm contact for sure. But I see contact with the ball first and after that you will have contact with the arm. I hardly ever see a block shot attempt near the basket where there is no contact with other parts of the body. Just is not very likely IMO.

Peace

Look at the 36 second mark, when it zooms in. The ball is still in the hand of the shooter. The hand of the defender is past the ball. There is contact on the arm, followed by the contact on the torso. This is a foul.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by just another ref

Look at the 36 second mark, when it zooms in. The ball is still in the hand of the shooter. The hand of the defender is past the ball. There is contact on the arm, followed by the contact on the torso. This is a foul.

OK, but if the ball was contacted first and the follow through involved some arm contact, in my world that is not a foul. That is expected on some level. And if there is some torso contact, then so be it as well. If he used all that arm contact and body contact to get the block, different story.

Peace

[just another ref]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

OK, but if the ball was contacted first and the follow through involved some arm contact, in my world that is not a foul. That is expected on some level. And if there is some torso contact, then so be it as well. If he used all that arm contact and body contact to get the block, different story.

Peace

Contacting the ball first, in and of itself, gives one the right to do......nothing. By watching this video, it is not a certainty that there was any contact with the ball. (I think there was some) But what is certain is that after the ball contact, there was substantial contact with both the arm and the body which stopped any chance he had of making the shot.

[Rich]

Originally Posted by just another ref

Contacting the ball first, in and of itself, gives one the right to do......nothing. By watching this video, it is not a certainty that there was any contact with the ball. (I think there was some) But what is certain is that after the ball contact, there was substantial contact with both the arm and the body which stopped any chance he had of making the shot.

Whether the ball is contacted first means a lot at this level. You saying otherwise doesn't change that. It's pretty clear when I watch NCAA D1 games.

[just another ref]

Originally Posted by Rich

Whether the ball is contacted first means a lot at this level. You saying otherwise doesn't change that. It's pretty clear when I watch NCAA D1 games.

But this is a philosophy, and not a rule, yes?

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by Rich

Whether the ball is contacted first means a lot at this level. You saying otherwise doesn't change that. It's pretty clear when I watch NCAA D1 games.

That is the case here in high school games. That is the case in small college games. That is the case if you work for the right position.

Originally Posted by just another ref

But this is a philosophy, and not a rule, yes?

Well what rule says otherwise?

I can look at the incidental contact rule and clearly judge that the block did not prevent the shooter from doing normal movements.

Peace

[Rich]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

That is the case here in high school games. That is the case in small college games. That is the case if you work for the right position.







Well what rule says otherwise?



I can look at the incidental contact rule and clearly judge that the block did not prevent the shooter from doing normal movements.



Peace

It's the case here in good HS hoops too. I only referenced NCAAM in the post cause that's the level the video is from.

If a HS player gets ball first it makes a lot incidental.....as long as the defender doesn't annihilate the airborne shooter in the process.