Michigan/Purdue...block/PC (video request)

[JetMetFan]

8:11 remaining in 1st half. Block/PC play on Purdue's offensive end. L looked like he changed his mind in mid-call.

[JetMetFan]

So, again, I reply to myself

This one looks to have had RA qualities as well.

[Raymond]

That's easily an RA play and if I look at it on a bigger screen probably a block anyway.

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[Nevadaref]

His heels are over the the line of the RA arc. It's a block.

[Nevadaref]

TV Ted definitely signaled PC first and then switched to banging his hips repeatedly.

Without the RA, I think it's a PC.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by JetMetFan

So, again, I reply to myself ...

Heh? That's my Forum "thing". Tread carefully my friend.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

That's easily an RA play and if I look at it on a bigger screen probably a block anyway.

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Big screen edit:

Yes RA, no it wouldn't have been a block.

[JetMetFan]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

TV Ted definitely signaled PC first and then switched to banging his hips repeatedly.

Without the RA, I think it's a PC.

If CBS had kept the wide angle I think we might have seen him point at the RA.

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

TV Ted definitely signaled PC first and then switched to banging his hips repeatedly.

Without the RA, I think it's a PC.

Agree....without the RA, a PC. But it was in the RA, thus a block.

[johnny d]

This is a pc foul. More importantly, this play is one of the exceptions to the RA. Player got an offensive rebound and immediately drove to the basket. There are no secondary defenders on this play. The fact that defender establishes in the RA is irrelevant.

Lots of guys commenting today without rules backing, is everybody hitting the St. Patrick's day parades and then coming here?

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by johnny d

This is a pc foul. More importantly, this play is one of the exceptions to the RA. Player got an offensive rebound and immediately drove to the basket. There are no secondary defenders on this play. The fact that defender establishes in the RA is irrelevant.

Lots of guys commenting today without rules backing, is everybody hitting the St. Patrick's day parades and then coming here?

For that rule to apply can the offensive player dribble?
There are some particulars which need to be defined for the offensive rebound situation.
For example, how far away can the rebounder come from? I don't believe that the NCAA provides a distance, but it needs be near the RA.
You can't have a long rebound to the top of the key, then a drive down the lane and a crash in the RA be a PC.

[Raymond]

I don't think this play qualifies as a rebound with an immediate drive.

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[johnny d]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

For that rule to apply can the offensive player dribble?
There are some particulars which need to be defined for the offensive rebound situation.
For example, how far away can the rebounder come from? I don't believe that the NCAA provides a distance, but it needs be near the RA.
You can't have a long rebound to the top of the key, then a drive down the lane and a crash in the RA be a PC.

Sorry to disappoint you, but yes it can be. Please see AR 100. Player A1 attempts a shot which bounces off the rim and is rebounded by A2.

Player A2, who is located on the wing just inside the three point line gains possession of a long rebound and immediately drives to the basket with no defender. Player A2 crashes into the torso of B2 who is located within the RA.

Ruling: When B2 has established and maintained lgp, and illegal contact occurs it is a pc/charging foul on A2

As you can see, distance from the basket has no bearing on this exception.

[johnny d]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

I don't think this play qualifies as a rebound with an immediate drive.

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It most certainly is. The offensive player controls the ball, turns towards the basket and drives into the lane without hesitation. Just because he did not get the ball while it was in the air and he was facing the basket does not mean he did not immediately drive to the basket once he established possession.

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by johnny d

Sorry to disappoint you, but yes it can be. Please see AR 100. Player A1 attempts a shot which bounces off the rim and is rebounded by A2.

Player A2, who is located on the wing just inside the three point line gains possession of a long rebound and immediately drives to the basket with no defender. Player A2 crashes into the torso of B2 who is located within the RA.

Ruling: When B2 has established and maintained lgp, and illegal contact occurs it is a pc/charging foul on A2

As you can see, distance from the basket has no bearing on this exception.

So is the 3pt line the line of demarcation or is there no distance defined by the NCAA? I ask because on this play the rebounder was outside the 3pt line. He also had a defender who ran past him in an attempt to reach the ball. Does he count as the primary defender? The NCAA AR states that there is no defender on the rebounder.