Block charge and aftermath

[CJP]

I think these guys screwed this up, big time. Got the block/charge wrong and then made an error by awarding 2 points. Even if it was a block, the basket shouldn't have counted.

[SD Referee]

Originally Posted by so cal lurker

Pause at first contact: ball is still in air toward the shooter. (And yes, I realize they don't get to do that and it's a really tough call to make live.)

The easy, and CORRECT call, is to wave off the basket. What we really have here is a team control foul and the basket should not have counted as the contact occurred before the shooter is even going up. To count this basket is terrible officiating.

Unless he clearly got the shot off before the contact, this is an easy basket to wave off.

[bossman72]

Originally Posted by Hawkeyes

Is there still be a belief by some officials that the defender has to "take the contact" in order to have a charge?
We must rid the earth of such thinking!

Explain for the casual observer, please!

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by bossman72

Explain for the casual observer, please!

Some would say:

"If the defender is moving backwards, it's not a charge."

"If the defender doesn't get run over, it's not a charge."

"The offense must go 'to and through' the defender to be a charge."

"If the offense alters the path slightly so the contact is shoulder-to-shoulder and not torso-to-torso, it's not a charge."

[A Pennsylvania Coach]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

Some would say:

"The offense must go 'to and through' the defender to be a charge."

I understand where you are coming from on the other platitudes (if I'm using that word correctly), but what is about "to and through" that you don't like, specifically?

[ronny mulkey]

Saw a lot of the video before becoming aware of Rut's condensed version. This was a very good crew and well officiated game. It wouldn't surprise me if all of them have some college assignments. Don't these college have guidelines directing them to go "block" on close iffy plays. Around here, we all follow Women's college mechanics and philosophies. And, this year at camp, even the Women clinicians were advocating a "block" on 50-50 plays. I guess they need more scoring???

I don't think the L was surprised by the play and could have seen some sideways movement. I have no idea how they could move to CM but as someone pointed out, these guys did not get to look at video.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by ronny mulkey

Don't these college have guidelines directing them to go "block" on close iffy plays.

No. At least not on the Men's side. They want you to call a charge if you have a charge by rule. What Women's side does is a mystery to me, but as a high school official it is clear that they mirror more the Men's philosophies or positions on everything from positioning and rotation philosophies.

Peace

[ronny mulkey]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

No. At least not on the Men's side. They want you to call a charge if you have a charge by rule. What Women's side does is a mystery to me, but as a high school official it is clear that they mirror more the Men's philosophies or positions on everything from positioning and rotation philosophies.

Peace

Women's take a lot of their lead from the WNBA regarding training/philosophies.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by ronny mulkey

Women's take a lot of their lead from the WNBA regarding training/philosophies.

I know and one of the reasons I have less respect for their decisions.

Peace

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by ronny mulkey

Women's take a lot of their lead from the WNBA regarding training/philosophies.

I was under the impression that the WNBA, NBA, and D-League all operate under the same training philosophies.

[ronny mulkey]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

I was under the impression that the WNBA, NBA, and D-League all operate under the same training philosophies.

And, does that extend to the College Women's?

[Sharpshooternes]

Originally Posted by ronny mulkey

Saw a lot of the video before becoming aware of Rut's condensed version. This was a very good crew and well officiated game. It wouldn't surprise me if all of them have some college assignments. Don't these college have guidelines directing them to go "block" on close iffy plays. Around here, we all follow Women's college mechanics and philosophies. And, this year at camp, even the Women clinicians were advocating a "block" on 50-50 plays. I guess they need more scoring???

I don't think the L was surprised by the play and could have seen some sideways movement. I have no idea how they could move to CM but as someone pointed out, these guys did not get to look at video.

It is a pretty good crew. Pretty sure one does D1, certain one does JC, not sure about the third. It was a well done game.

[stripes]

Originally Posted by ronny mulkey

Saw a lot of the video before becoming aware of Rut's condensed version. This was a very good crew and well officiated game. It wouldn't surprise me if all of them have some college assignments.

I know 2 of the 3 officials very well...both are excellent playcallers. I think the L missed the play, but I think this is a tough play live. 2 bang/bang occurrences.

I have been texting the crew chief and they felt like shooting motion had started when l blew his whistle...They didn't have video to review. He has looked at the video and would change things. He also told me that they are going to review this play at their next chapter meeting.