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Old Thu Jan 19, 2017, 09:49pm
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Block or Charge or No Call (Video)

What are the teaching points in this clip?

As a coach, I want to know if this is called correctly so I can teach my kids.

I see legal guarding position followed by lateral movement. Who has the right to the floor space if both players arrive at the same instant?


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Old Thu Jan 19, 2017, 10:37pm
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Old Thu Jan 19, 2017, 10:52pm
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What are the teaching points in this clip?

As a coach, I want to know if this is called correctly so I can teach my kids.

I see legal guarding position followed by lateral movement. Who has the right to the floor space if both players arrive at the same instant?

(iframe width="1280" height="720" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/_o6cI_WohVY" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen)(/iframe)
Doesn't look like lateral movement to me.
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Old Thu Jan 19, 2017, 11:21pm
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(Carry on the dribble before contact)
Definite BLOCK and I love the T's mechanics
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Old Thu Jan 19, 2017, 11:54pm
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I see legal guarding position followed by lateral movement.
LGP? Yes. But the subsequent movement is decidedly toward the ball handler. To be honest it's not really close.

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Who has the right to the floor space if both players arrive at the same instant?
This question isn't relevant since the defender committed a personal foul, i.e. the defender blocked the ball handler. It's not a matter of who arrived when.

I think you're thinking of a loose ball situation where two opponents are both moving to a spot together. In this case, contact may be incidental, even if severe, if both players were legally converging without employing illegal contact.
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Old Fri Jan 20, 2017, 12:03am
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(Carry on the dribble before contact)
Definite BLOCK and I love the T's mechanics
(That would be a really bad carrying call, IMO.)

This is not lateral movement.
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Old Fri Jan 20, 2017, 12:30am
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By "lateral" movement we're not talking about the defender's right to move sideways. What that means is the defender has to move in the same direction (forwards/backwards/right/left) as the dribbler. I can't remember the exact wording in the rule book, but it may also mention speed as well.

The defender in this case indeed moves sideways, but not at all in the same direction that the ball handler is moving.

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Old Fri Jan 20, 2017, 01:44am
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Block or Charge or No Call (Video)

Let's see if this works

https://youtu.be/_o6cI_WohVY

I'm good with the block call here. She lost LGP and did not reestablish it.

And I do not have a carry.
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Old Fri Jan 20, 2017, 04:37am
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I'm curious what people think lateral movement really is. This player was in the path and facing the opponent with 2 feet down....she had LGP.

Then she moved in a direction that was perpendicular to the direction of her opponent, even slightly towards the endline...that is lateral movement. Lateral movement is about the direction of movement, not the direction the defender is facing. Once she has LGP, the direction she faces is no longer relevant. The fact that she turned sideways to shift does not affect LGP.

That said, I still have a block because I feel that when the dribbler changed direction, she did so quick enough that the defender was no longer in her path and had to reobtain LGP...which she didn't.
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Old Fri Jan 20, 2017, 09:26am
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Who said anything about her turning sideways? Let alone for a reason to call a block or charge?

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Old Fri Jan 20, 2017, 09:33am
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Old Fri Jan 20, 2017, 09:46am
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By "lateral" movement we're not talking about the defender's right to move sideways. What that means is the defender has to move in the same direction (forwards/backwards/right/left) as the dribbler. I can't remember the exact wording in the rule book, but it may also mention speed as well.
Yes, that's what "lateral" means.

No, it doesn't mean what you say (especially "forward")

Speed / distance are not a consideration when guarding a player with the ball ("airborne" is a factor).
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Old Fri Jan 20, 2017, 11:21am
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Yes, that's what "lateral" means.

No, it doesn't mean what you say (especially "forward")

Speed / distance are not a consideration when guarding a player with the ball ("airborne" is a factor).
I should have added the "or obliquely" part of the rule, which implies what I said.

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Old Fri Jan 20, 2017, 11:22am
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Yes, that's what "lateral" means.

No, it doesn't mean what you say (especially "forward")

Speed / distance are not a consideration when guarding a player with the ball ("airborne" is a factor).
Btw, the "speed" thing was about how fast the dribbler is moving (which, yes, is wrong). Not about time and distance.

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Old Fri Jan 20, 2017, 11:31am
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By "lateral" movement we're not talking about the defender's right to move sideways. What that means is the defender has to move in the same direction (forwards/backwards/right/left) as the dribbler. I can't remember the exact wording in the rule book, but it may also mention speed as well.

The defender in this case indeed moves sideways, but not at all in the same direction that the ball handler is moving.

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