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xyrph Thu Jan 19, 2017 09:49pm

Block or Charge or No Call (Video)
 
What are the teaching points in this clip?

As a coach, I want to know if this is called correctly so I can teach my kids.

I see legal guarding position followed by lateral movement. Who has the right to the floor space if both players arrive at the same instant?

<iframe width="1280" height="720" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/_o6cI_WohVY" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

JRutledge Thu Jan 19, 2017 10:37pm

There is no video.

Peace

Matt Thu Jan 19, 2017 10:52pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by xyrph (Post 997926)
What are the teaching points in this clip?

As a coach, I want to know if this is called correctly so I can teach my kids.

I see legal guarding position followed by lateral movement. Who has the right to the floor space if both players arrive at the same instant?

(iframe width="1280" height="720" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/_o6cI_WohVY" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen)(/iframe)

Doesn't look like lateral movement to me.

justacoach Thu Jan 19, 2017 11:21pm

(Carry on the dribble before contact)
Definite BLOCK and I love the T's mechanics

crosscountry55 Thu Jan 19, 2017 11:54pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by xyrph (Post 997926)
I see legal guarding position followed by lateral movement.

LGP? Yes. But the subsequent movement is decidedly toward the ball handler. To be honest it's not really close.

Quote:

Originally Posted by xyrph (Post 997926)
Who has the right to the floor space if both players arrive at the same instant?

This question isn't relevant since the defender committed a personal foul, i.e. the defender blocked the ball handler. It's not a matter of who arrived when.

I think you're thinking of a loose ball situation where two opponents are both moving to a spot together. In this case, contact may be incidental, even if severe, if both players were legally converging without employing illegal contact.

Rich Fri Jan 20, 2017 12:03am

Quote:

Originally Posted by justacoach (Post 997935)
(Carry on the dribble before contact)
Definite BLOCK and I love the T's mechanics

(That would be a really bad carrying call, IMO.)

This is not lateral movement.

BryanV21 Fri Jan 20, 2017 12:30am

By "lateral" movement we're not talking about the defender's right to move sideways. What that means is the defender has to move in the same direction (forwards/backwards/right/left) as the dribbler. I can't remember the exact wording in the rule book, but it may also mention speed as well.

The defender in this case indeed moves sideways, but not at all in the same direction that the ball handler is moving.

http://avcssbasketball.com/wp-conten...cking-Foul.jpg

Welpe Fri Jan 20, 2017 01:44am

Block or Charge or No Call (Video)
 
Let's see if this works

https://youtu.be/_o6cI_WohVY

I'm good with the block call here. She lost LGP and did not reestablish it.

And I do not have a carry.

Camron Rust Fri Jan 20, 2017 04:37am

I'm curious what people think lateral movement really is. This player was in the path and facing the opponent with 2 feet down....she had LGP.

Then she moved in a direction that was perpendicular to the direction of her opponent, even slightly towards the endline...that is lateral movement. Lateral movement is about the direction of movement, not the direction the defender is facing. Once she has LGP, the direction she faces is no longer relevant. The fact that she turned sideways to shift does not affect LGP.

That said, I still have a block because I feel that when the dribbler changed direction, she did so quick enough that the defender was no longer in her path and had to reobtain LGP...which she didn't.

BryanV21 Fri Jan 20, 2017 09:26am

Who said anything about her turning sideways? Let alone for a reason to call a block or charge?

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deecee Fri Jan 20, 2017 09:33am

block.

bob jenkins Fri Jan 20, 2017 09:46am

Quote:

Originally Posted by BryanV21 (Post 997943)
By "lateral" movement we're not talking about the defender's right to move sideways. What that means is the defender has to move in the same direction (forwards/backwards/right/left) as the dribbler. I can't remember the exact wording in the rule book, but it may also mention speed as well.

Yes, that's what "lateral" means.

No, it doesn't mean what you say (especially "forward")

Speed / distance are not a consideration when guarding a player with the ball ("airborne" is a factor).

BryanV21 Fri Jan 20, 2017 11:21am

Quote:

Originally Posted by bob jenkins (Post 997958)
Yes, that's what "lateral" means.

No, it doesn't mean what you say (especially "forward")

Speed / distance are not a consideration when guarding a player with the ball ("airborne" is a factor).

I should have added the "or obliquely" part of the rule, which implies what I said.

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BryanV21 Fri Jan 20, 2017 11:22am

Quote:

Originally Posted by bob jenkins (Post 997958)
Yes, that's what "lateral" means.

No, it doesn't mean what you say (especially "forward")

Speed / distance are not a consideration when guarding a player with the ball ("airborne" is a factor).

Btw, the "speed" thing was about how fast the dribbler is moving (which, yes, is wrong). Not about time and distance.

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Zoochy Fri Jan 20, 2017 11:31am

Quote:

Originally Posted by BryanV21 (Post 997943)
By "lateral" movement we're not talking about the defender's right to move sideways. What that means is the defender has to move in the same direction (forwards/backwards/right/left) as the dribbler. I can't remember the exact wording in the rule book, but it may also mention speed as well.

The defender in this case indeed moves sideways, but not at all in the same direction that the ball handler is moving.

http://avcssbasketball.com/wp-conten...cking-Foul.jpg

Nice Belt :D


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