Block or Charge or No Call (Video)

[so cal lurker]

Originally Posted by jeremy341a

This is not far off from a carry if it isn't one. Is this the reason that the defense is not just shy of being in position?

While I think that would have been called a carry back when I played, if that was called a carry today, there would be a lot of calls in the games I watch. It appears to me (from the comfort of the stands) that just as with determining when a dribble ends for determining a travel, this is a call that has swung significantly to favor offensive players.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by so cal lurker

While I think that would have been called a carry back when I played, if that was called a carry today, there would be a lot of calls in the games I watch. It appears to me (from the comfort of the stands) that just as with determining when a dribble ends for determining a travel, this is a call that has swung significantly to favor offensive players.

While I'm not calling this a carry, I disagree that if we started calling it we'd be calling a lot. The players would adjust fairly quickly.

It's just not something my leadership wants called that closely, so I'm not watching it that closely.

[Adam]

As for the foul: I could see either a no-call or a block. I don't see PC as an option because it's clear she's moving towards the dribbler at contact. It seems clear she got beat, because she turns to run rather than sliding to maintain LGP. It's not an aspect in the rules, but it is an optic thing that gives us a clue when watching, I think.

I'd like a no-call here, like APG, because the defender is at fault and there's no disadvantage to the offense. The ball went where it was supposed to go, the dribbler wasn't disrupted. Rich's points are valid about why to call it, too.

Let me ask the question: For those who would make this call, are you making the same call if it's a boys game?

[VaTerp]

Originally Posted by Adam

As for the foul: I could see either a no-call or a block. I don't see PC as an option because it's clear she's moving towards the dribbler at contact. It seems clear she got beat, because she turns to run rather than sliding to maintain LGP. It's not an aspect in the rules, but it is an optic thing that gives us a clue when watching, I think.

I'd like a no-call here, like APG, because the defender is at fault and there's no disadvantage to the offense. The ball went where it was supposed to go, the dribbler wasn't disrupted. Rich's points are valid about why to call it, too.

Let me ask the question: For those who would make this call, are you making the same call if it's a boys game?

As I noted before I thought the only reason to say this was close is b/c it didnt affect her getting the pass off so I agree with all you stated above.

Would I make this call in a boy's game? Maybe. I'd like to see the whole things all the way through in real time without the slo-mo impacting my thinking.

But it depends on the level of play (in terms of speed, strength, athleticism, skill level), where we are in the game, what level of contact we've been putting whistles on, any chippiness, etc.

I always pre-game to let the players play through the marginal contact if they can (automatics notwithstanding). I can see passing on this but also don't have a real problem with calling this a block at really any level of play.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by Adam

As for the foul: I could see either a no-call or a block. I don't see PC as an option because it's clear she's moving towards the dribbler at contact. It seems clear she got beat, because she turns to run rather than sliding to maintain LGP. It's not an aspect in the rules, but it is an optic thing that gives us a clue when watching, I think.

I'd like a no-call here, like APG, because the defender is at fault and there's no disadvantage to the offense. The ball went where it was supposed to go, the dribbler wasn't disrupted. Rich's points are valid about why to call it, too.

Let me ask the question: For those who would make this call, are you making the same call if it's a boys game?

This is my position. If there is a foul to be called, then it is a block. But I can understand there clearly see why someone would not call a foul. Nothing was effected by this play. It was not even "rough" or unnecessary.

And since I do not work girls basketball, I am not likely making this call if I see the entire picture. My whistle would have likely come late and based on what I see, I probably would have passed on this. And that is from the high school level to the college level. I would have seen the same thing.

Peace

[Welpe]

Originally Posted by Adam

Let me ask the question: For those who would make this call, are you making the same call if it's a boys game?

It really depends if they have demonstrated they can play through this level of contact without wanting to kill each other. It goes the other way too. I've had girls games where they have both shown they want to play rougher and they're not going to go to blows over it.

[so cal lurker]

Originally Posted by Adam

While I'm not calling this a carry, I disagree that if we started calling it we'd be calling a lot. The players would adjust fairly quickly.

I agree with that -- my point was that the level of "carry" in that play happens routinely in games that I'm watching and is not called. (But I think it absolutely would have been called back when I played.)