Saddest T I ever gave

[Adam]

As soon as the first horn goes, we're talking to them here. It works the vast majority of the time. I don't put it down often, about once every two or three seasons, but it's very effective.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by Adam

As soon as the first horn goes, we're talking to them here. It works the vast majority of the time. I don't put it down often, about once every two or three seasons, but it's very effective.

I put it down in Christmas tourney final last month. Team ended up calling a time out.

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[just another ref]

The first horn announcement, in my opinion, is among the stupidest things we do. If they didn't hear/ignored the horn itself, how likely are they to hear/respond to the call and whistle from the official? I'm not gonna stick my head in the huddle and beg. We should put the ball on the floor more often than we do.

[BlueDevilRef]

Originally Posted by just another ref

The first horn announcement, in my opinion, is among the stupidest things we do. If they didn't hear/ignored the horn itself, how likely are they to hear/respond to the call and whistle from the official? I'm not gonna stick my head in the huddle and beg. We should put the ball on the floor more often than we do.

+1,000,000,000,000,000,000 etc etc.

I just don't want to be the only guy dying on that sword. If we are supposed to break up soon after first horn and play ball on 2nd, we should enforce it. I just find I'm alone in that fight so I find myself saying let's go let's go a lot

[Adam]

Originally Posted by just another ref

The first horn announcement, in my opinion, is among the stupidest things we do. If they didn't hear/ignored the horn itself, how likely are they to hear/respond to the call and whistle from the official? I'm not gonna stick my head in the huddle and beg. We should put the ball on the floor more often than we do.

I'd agree with you if it weren't for the absolute success of the process here. It wasn't my idea, and I don't disagree that it shouldn't be necessary, but getting teams out of a huddle is rarely an issue now. And when it is, there's never any complaining when the ball gets put down. They knew it was coming, and usually I hear a fan behind me, "He's counting!"

[so cal lurker]

Originally Posted by Adam

I'd agree with you if it weren't for the absolute success of the process here. It wasn't my idea, and I don't disagree that it shouldn't be necessary, but getting teams out of a huddle is rarely an issue now. And when it is, there's never any complaining when the ball gets put down. They knew it was coming, and usually I hear a fan behind me, "He's counting!"

It's like anything -- if the coaches don't believe you'll use ROP or that you'll give it to the other team before they're ready, what do they have to lose by ignoring the horns? But once the coaches believe that ROP will actually be used, it becomes unnecessary as they don't want to take a chance.

Has anyone seen a designed ROP play? I could see a coach putting together a plan in the expectation that the other team wouldn't really be ready for an orchestrated act rather than a panic driven throw in . . .

[just another ref]

Originally Posted by Adam

It wasn't my idea, and I don't disagree that it shouldn't be necessary, but getting teams out of a huddle is rarely an issue now. And when it is, there's never any complaining when the ball gets put down.

Only discussion I had about it this year: The defense was the one late getting out so the other team scored an unmolested layup. The coach is a former official and a friend of mine. He called me over at the end of the quarter.

"You know, coming out of the timeout, somebody is supposed to come to the huddle and notify us."

"Which we did."

(pause) "Oh, I guess I was talking."

"Yep"

"Oh, okay" (sheepish look)

[OKREF]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

I put it down in Christmas tourney final last month. Team ended up calling a time out.

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Did someone go pick up the ball and then call timeout, or was the ball sitting on the floor?

[UNIgiantslayers]

I know this may not help a lot, but during the captain/coaches meeting, I tell the kids our state association is focused on sportsmanship, helping each other up, etc. Then I get them out of there. I tell the coaches to stay. We're required to ask coaches if all players are legally equipped, and then I make it a point to tell them first horn ENDS the timeout, we're ready to play on the second horn so make sure they're out there. My hope is that if that's the only thing that I say, it sticks with them. Not sure how much it helps, or if at all (probably not), but I've not had a DOG for coming out of a timeout yet. I've also not been doing this as long as many of you, so I'm sure that plays a huge factor in that as well.

[Rich]

Originally Posted by UNIgiantslayers

I know this may not help a lot, but during the captain/coaches meeting, I tell the kids our state association is focused on sportsmanship, helping each other up, etc. Then I get them out of there. I tell the coaches to stay. We're required to ask coaches if all players are legally equipped, and then I make it a point to tell them first horn ENDS the timeout, we're ready to play on the second horn so make sure they're out there. My hope is that if that's the only thing that I say, it sticks with them. Not sure how much it helps, or if at all (probably not), but I've not had a DOG for coming out of a timeout yet. I've also not been doing this as long as many of you, so I'm sure that plays a huge factor in that as well.

The first horn does not end the timeout.

Being ready to play on the second horn is not the same thing.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by OKREF

Did someone go pick up the ball and then call timeout, or was the ball sitting on the floor?

Sitting on floor. Which means the ball was at their disposal.

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[OKREF]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

Sitting on floor. Which means the ball was at their disposal.

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correct