Legal or not

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by Dcran

Not sure if I sent my last question. Sorry if this is a repeat.

A1 picks up his dribble to pass to A2. A2 doesn't see the pass as they turn away. A1 runs and grabs the errant pass. What do you have if anything?

I have the exact play being in an interp or case play.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

I have the exact play being in an interp or case play.

I can't find the exact play, just this:

2003-04 NFHS BASKETBALL RULES INTERPRETATIONS

SITUATION 6: A1 jumps from the floor and secures a defensive re-bound. A1 then pivots toward the sideline where a teammate, A2, is standing for an outlet pass. Just as A1 releases the pass, A2 turns and runs down the court. A1 throws a soft bounce pass to where A2 was standing. A1 then moves and secures the ball without dribbling. RULING: Legal action. A1 had the pivot foot on the floor and began a dribble by throwing the ball to the floor (the bounce pass); the dribble ended when A1 secured the ball. Upon reaching the ball, A1 also could have continued the dribble. (4-15-3,4)

Keep in mind that in Situation 6, A1 had not already dribbled the ball before "passing".

bob jenkins: What exact case play or interpretation were you referring to for the original post (illegal dribble)?

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

I can't find the exact play, just this:

2003-04 NFHS BASKETBALL RULES INTERPRETATIONS

SITUATION 6: A1 jumps from the floor and secures a defensive re-bound. A1 then pivots toward the sideline where a teammate, A2, is standing for an outlet pass. Just as A1 releases the pass, A2 turns and runs down the court. A1 throws a soft bounce pass to where A2 was standing. A1 then moves and secures the ball without dribbling. RULING: Legal action. A1 had the pivot foot on the floor and began a dribble by throwing the ball to the floor (the bounce pass); the dribble ended when A1 secured the ball. Upon reaching the ball, A1 also could have continued the dribble. (4-15-3,4)

Keep in mind that in Situation 6, A1 had not already dribbled the ball before "passing".

bob jenkins: What exact case play or interpretation were you referring to for the original post (illegal dribble)?

Isn't that sufficient to answer the OP, where the player had already ended a dribble?

And, here's the NCAAW case play (the rule, and the ruling, is the same in FED):
A.R. 73.
A1, after:
(1)
Receiving a pass; or
(2)
Ending her dribble,
A1 passes the ball to A2 Before receiving the pass, A2 leaves the area on a
cut to the basket A1 goes to the area vacated by A2 and recovers the ball
RULING: In order for a pass to occur, the thrown ball must be
touched by another player. This did not occur in (1) or (2).
(1) A1’s attempted pass was the start of her dribble. When she
recovered the ball and started another dribble, she would have
committed a violation. (Had A1, after releasing the pass, which was
the start of the dribble, not recovered the ball but rather continued to
dribble, it would not have been a violation.)
(2) A1 had previously ended a dribble before her attempted pass to
A2. A1’s release of the ball on her attempted pass to A2 was the start of
a second dribble. A1 committed a violation after she touched the ball.
(Rule 4-14.2 and 9-7.1.c)

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

A1’s release of the ball on her attempted pass to A2 was the start of a second dribble. A1 committed a violation after she touched the ball.

Thanks bob jenkins.

Even though it's NCAA, it's an interesting interpretation because some, here on the Forum, in similar plays, have a belief that the illegal dribble occurs when the ball is "release(d)" to start the second dribble, whereas this interpretation states that the violation occurs when the ball is "touched". The NCAA makes this clear, the NFHS doesn't.

I prefer the NCAA interpretation, allowing for the possibility that the release for the second "dribble" may actually be the start of a really ugly pass. I believe that it's good to have a patient whistle in these situations.