Help on T situation

[BlueDevilRef]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

My question. Is this penalized if the player with the illegal number has already played, and the illegal number is "discovered" while the "player" is on the bench (no longer in the game), i.e., must the player with the illegal number be "in the game" at the time of "discovery" to penalize?

This was my exact situation. #8 was in game but when I figured it out, he was on the bench. To me, that was the time of discovery and it should have been a direct T.

I realize we screwed up by missing it in the beginning. Can we please focus on penalty admin and my original issue of exactly what "when it occurs" vs "when discovered" and how those affect these types of T's

[BigCat]

Originally Posted by BlueDevilRef

This was my exact situation. #8 was in game but when I figured it out, he was on the bench. To me, that was the time of discovery and it should have been a direct T.

I realize we screwed up by missing it in the beginning. Can we please focus on penalty admin and my original issue of exactly what "when it occurs" vs "when discovered" and how those affect these types of T's

3.4.3 sit B. (a) number 7 reports, enters and participates.-- Direct T to coach.
(b)changes to legal jersey and enters later. Team tech for changing number in book. C goes back to bench and never participates. No penalty when player "never enters game and scorebook is unaltered."

An illegal number is an illegal uniform. if you look at the coaches penalty section 10-6 you will see article 4 head coach "shall not allow team member participate with illegal uniform." PENALTY section 6 Says penalized when DISCOVERED.

Once your number 8 participates it violates 10-6-4. penalize when discovered. If you know he participated earlier i think you can penalize it when you discover/realize it.

If number 8 comes to table to report you tell him not a legal number you cannot participate. He goes and sits and nothing else done -no T at all. If coach wants him to play he is going to have to get him a legal uniform--change number in book.

Adding a number to the book or changing a number falls under the when it occurs portion of team tech. clear as mud. I'm sure i could have said that better.

ps. the play Bob mentioned deals with a player, 25, participating without number in book. He goes in and comes out of game. adding the number to the book is a when they occur team tech. case play says even though 25 participated no penalty unless he goes in again and then is added to book.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by BlueDevilRef

This was my exact situation. #8 was in game but when I figured it out, he was on the bench. To me, that was the time of discovery and it should have been a direct T.

I realize we screwed up by missing it in the beginning. Can we please focus on penalty admin and my original issue of exactly what "when it occurs" vs "when discovered" and how those affect these types of T's

They way I read it, you did it fine. By the time you discovered it was a violation, you let the coach know. This way, he avoids the direct T and gets to settle with a team T.