Shooting vs. passing after foul

[MD Longhorn]

I admit the 1st is harder than the 2nd. The inability to pause the video or zoom makes this tough. So I could be wrong. And Arem's angle is probably WAY better than the videographer's angle.

On the 2nd, I firmly believe his partner was right to discard the added information, and don't think this was a case (as one official above stated) of him not wanting to be shown up a 2nd time. It was a case of him being right.

Originally Posted by MD Longhorn

The inability to pause the video or zoom makes this tough.

You can pause the video by clicking on it. Sorry there's no zoom!

[MD Longhorn]

Originally Posted by AremRed

You can pause the video by clicking on it. Sorry there's no zoom!

Excellent - thanks.

There is a frame in the video where he's facing the basket and both arms/hands are facing the basket as well --- and the defender's hand is on ball. At this moment ... he's shooting. An instant later - the ball is heading toward his teammate BEFORE he starts turning his head.

I'm more convinced now than I was before.

[BigCat]

Originally Posted by MD Longhorn

Excellent - thanks.

There is a frame in the video where he's facing the basket and both arms/hands are facing the basket as well --- and the defender's hand is on ball. At this moment ... he's shooting. An instant later - the ball is heading toward his teammate BEFORE he starts turning his head.

I'm more convinced now than I was before.

I don't use frames often. We don't referee in frames. I think number one is obvious pass watching it live for reasons I've said above. I'm looking st everything, not just arms etc. my arms have to rise to pass. As I said, I'm not going to wrestle you for it unless it is a game changer.

[MD Longhorn]

Originally Posted by BigCat

I don't use frames often. We don't referee in frames. I think number one is obvious pass watching it live for reasons I've said above. I'm looking st everything, not just arms etc. my arms have to rise to pass. As I said, I'm not going to wrestle you for it unless it is a game changer.

I only looked at it that way because I was unsure ... and honestly, I was looking for a reason to convince myself I was wrong, because pretty much everyone else said I was.

But it seemed to support my initial look (posted way up higher before I figured out you could pause)... that the ball was not passed, but deflected to his teammate during the foul.

[SNIPERBBB]

Habitual start of the shooting motion starts when the player gathers the ball. Its gotta be painfully obvious the player is doing something that is not shooting.

[BigCat]

Originally Posted by MD Longhorn

I admit the 1st is harder than the 2nd. The inability to pause the video or zoom makes this tough. So I could be wrong. And Arem's angle is probably WAY better than the videographer's angle.

On the 2nd, I firmly believe his partner was right to discard the added information, and don't think this was a case (as one official above stated) of him not wanting to be shown up a 2nd time. It was a case of him being right.

Second play was absolutely a shot. Clearly foul made him change his mind. Info I would give right away is give him two. Going up. Looking at video it would ZnEVER cross my mind to say "he passed ball." Unless I missed the original contact of course.