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[Rooster]

Originally Posted by BigCat

A1 is dribbling ball up in backcourt. A2 is running in FC and meets up with B2. Both have attitude and shove each other at same time. No words. What is call. NFHS/NCAA men

For funsies, no one see this as a fighting act, worthy of flagrant fouls and disqualification?

[BigCat]

Originally Posted by Rooster

For funsies, no one see this as a fighting act, worthy of flagrant fouls and disqualification?

Well, im pretty sure im the only referee who saw it...and no, it did not rise to a fighting act. It was BS but nothing id toss somebody over. Now, I would have liked to have called double Ts but that wasnt an option.

I used the phrase "shoved each other with attitude" because I was trying to describe something that wasnt flagrant but was more than a regular foul. Can a shove be a fighting act? Sure, but just because there was a shove doesnt mean it was a fighting act. You would have to actually...see it. Thx

[Rooster]

Originally Posted by BigCat

Well, im pretty sure im the only referee who saw it...and no, it did not rise to a fighting act. It was BS but nothing id toss somebody over. Now, I would have liked to have called double Ts but that wasnt an option.

I used the phrase "shoved each other with attitude" because I was trying to describe something that wasnt flagrant but was more than a regular foul. Can a shove be a fighting act? Sure, but just because there was a shove doesnt mean it was a fighting act. You would have to actually...see it. Thx

So to clarify: You did NOT have two players square up to one another and then push each other, playground-style, with two pairs of arms extended? Was this just a "get off me" kind of thing?

[BigCat]

Originally Posted by Rooster

So to clarify: You did NOT have two players square up to one another and then push each other, playground-style, with two pairs of arms extended? Was this just a "get off me" kind of thing?

I'm sorry. I can't make it much clearer. 2 players came together just outside the lane above the block and shoved each other with attitude. Not sure what you mean by "square up" and "playground style."

It wasn't a basketball play but it wasn't enough to toss either of them.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by Rooster

For funsies, no one see this as a fighting act, worthy of flagrant fouls and disqualification?

As described? No.

[crosscountry55]

Originally Posted by Adam

As described? No.

Agree. The definition of fighting involves a combative act such as a kick, punch, strike…things of that nature. A mutual shove does not rise to this level.

Rule 4....live it, love it.


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[Dad]

Originally Posted by crosscountry55

Agree. The definition of fighting involves a combative act such as a kick, punch, strike…things of that nature. A mutual shove does not rise to this level.

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To be fair, it was a decent question as we can flagrant without any contact or attempt of it. Yeah the pushing is something, but who knows what provoked them.

[crosscountry55]

Originally Posted by Dad

To be fair, it was a decent question as we can flagrant without any contact or attempt of it. Yeah the pushing is something, but who knows what provoked them.

What you describe would be a flagrant technical, and you can always make that ruling, live ball or not. Taunt first, then mutual shove? Party on with your flagrant tech followed by a double tech if you'd like (all part of a false double foul master-sequence).

But as described, what we have is neither technical nor flagrant.




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