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Old Sun Mar 27, 2016, 08:01pm
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For those of you that think this isn't a foul (and assuming you are officials), I would like to say thank you. It's because of judgement like that I have gotten where I have and continue to get better games and move up.

Keep doing what you are doing.

IF you are not an official, then that's good, because you would be wrong.


Considering this type of contact happens in a lot of NCAA games and IS NOT always called a foul, I don't see the logic in your statement. It is a foul, but not one that is always called.
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Old Sun Mar 27, 2016, 08:26pm
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Considering this type of contact happens in a lot of NCAA games and IS NOT always called a foul, I don't see the logic in your statement. It is a foul, but not one that is always called.
I am sorry but I do not see many plays like this not called a foul. Are there plays with a lot of contact not called a foul? Sure, but not like this that I can say "a lot" by any means. There are plays that are close that might not be called, but not many like this I can point to. Now if you have some video evidence of similar plays then I am all good with that one, but I doubt the "a lot" statement you made is very accurate. It also does not matter if it is or isn't called, the issue is should it be called? Yes, it should be called and kind of the point of his post I would think. I know a lot of officials that try to wiggle their way out of not calling things and they are not considered for certain situations for that reason.

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Old Sun Mar 27, 2016, 08:49pm
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Is it possible that some would consider this the same as two players chasing a loose ball from different directions that meet in the middle? That can easily be a no call, even if one goes flying. (Don't penalize a player for being big.) But, in this case, a stationary guy has his feet taken out from under him with a crucial possession at stake. How could it not be a foul?
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Old Sun Mar 27, 2016, 11:18pm
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Considering this type of contact happens in a lot of NCAA games and IS NOT always called a foul, I don't see the logic in your statement. It is a foul, but not one that is always called.
I watch a lot of NCAA games and don't see this contact anywhere near "a lot." And when I do, it's rarely passed on, and I surely wouldn't pass on it if I were the covering official.
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Old Mon Mar 28, 2016, 02:00am
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Yes you do when that kid takes out another kid that legally got to his spot on the floor. Just cause you dive does not absolve you from contacting a legal player.



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Old Mon Mar 28, 2016, 09:04am
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Called earlier in this game on Archidiacano

Arch dove for a loose ball near midcourt early in the first half and was called for a foul as he took out the Kansas players legs in diving to get the ball. I remember thinking - great hustle, but stupid foul - unless he thought "they don't call those fouls in this game..."
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Old Mon Mar 28, 2016, 10:41am
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Considering this type of contact happens in a lot of NCAA games and IS NOT always called a foul, I don't see the logic in your statement. It is a foul, but not one that is always called.
Can you back this up, because from games I have watched and officiated this gets called.
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Old Mon Mar 28, 2016, 11:12am
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I too, agree this is a foul. However, it appears that C was very content to 'play on', and I think everyone would agree that C has the best angle for this play. If T doesn't have a whistle, looks like it might have been a 'play on' scenario.

Will never know for sure, just my observation.....
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Old Mon Mar 28, 2016, 11:20am
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Can you back this up, because from games I have watched and officiated this gets called.


Ok. Let's break this down:

You say thanks to the officials who don't call this bc that is how you have moved up and hit a better schedule.

I said I didn't see logic there bc to me those two things would not be exclusive, mainly bc I see this not called. I said a lot, which may have been a stretch but it does happen and is not always called, which was my point.

Now several others and you have said it is called and doesn't happen a lot.

It can't be both. It's either called or not. My take was on your post that others not calling it is why you have moved up and gotten better games. Just sounded very snide the way your post came off.
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Old Mon Mar 28, 2016, 12:22pm
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Ok. Let's break this down:

Now several others and you have said it is called and doesn't happen a lot.

It can't be both. It's either called or not. My take was on your post that others not calling it is why you have moved up and gotten better games. Just sounded very snide the way your post came off.
I have seen this called several times. Now does that mean plays like this happen "a lot" as you suggested, that would be overstated IMO. But when I have seen players jump on top go guys or displace them in a scrum, I have seen fouls called on "similar" plays. I rarely see nothing called in these situations.

Yes there was a time we just kind of allowed players to do all kinds of things during a loose ball, but since there have been a lot of video and access to the NCAA sharing their positions, those days are gone. No more VHS tape that you only saw at and NCAA meeting. I would even bet that this play comes up in the NCAA video in the future as an example of a foul that should be called. Just because people did not call it, does not make it right. A lot of officials would pass on obvious "intentional" or "flagrant" fouls, but now it is expected we call more of these in this day and age. With all this focus on head injuries and other dangerous play situations, I think we are in a different era than we once were.

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Old Mon Mar 28, 2016, 12:35pm
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Arch dove for a loose ball near midcourt early in the first half and was called for a foul as he took out the Kansas players legs in diving to get the ball. I remember thinking - great hustle, but stupid foul - unless he thought "they don't call those fouls in this game..."
@Jrutledge, can we get a video of this play from earlier in the game?
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Old Mon Mar 28, 2016, 01:08pm
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Ok. Let's break this down:

You say thanks to the officials who don't call this bc that is how you have moved up and hit a better schedule.

I said I didn't see logic there bc to me those two things would not be exclusive, mainly bc I see this not called. I said a lot, which may have been a stretch but it does happen and is not always called, which was my point.

Now several others and you have said it is called and doesn't happen a lot.

It can't be both. It's either called or not. My take was on your post that others not calling it is why you have moved up and gotten better games. Just sounded very snide the way your post came off.
I see fouls and violations not called too. This is blatant, and ya we can miss it here and there. But if your stance is you don't see a foul, then I am thanking you. It's one less rung above me.
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Ok. Let's break this down:

You say thanks to the officials who don't call this bc that is how you have moved up and hit a better schedule.

I said I didn't see logic there
Stop right there. This is your break down. deecee's post wasn't meant to be taken logically or seriously, not literally anyway.
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I too, agree this is a foul. However, it appears that C was very content to 'play on', and I think everyone would agree that C has the best angle for this play. If T doesn't have a whistle, looks like it might have been a 'play on' scenario.

Will never know for sure, just my observation.....
I said this in the facebook discussion, but if the T hadn't come to get this, we'd still be discussing this play as one where the C missed it and the T missed a chance to save the crew in transition.
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Stop right there. This is your break down. deecee's post wasn't meant to be taken logically or seriously, not literally anyway.
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