Nova-Kansas 34.1

[jpgc99]

Originally Posted by crosscountry55

I am not going to contend with a seasoned Elite Eight official's judgment in this case.

The rule is the rule (a player is entitled to his spot on the court provided he gets there first), and as the sideline reporter pointed out not long before this, Bill Self told his players to bust it for every loose ball. This coaching dictum carries risk. See Exhibit A.

I'm sure all three officials knew who fouled and who was fouled, but I loved how they pretended to be unsure so that they could confirm whether or not this was a TC foul. Well done.

You know Im not one to criticize these guys, but I think they should have been able to get the team control correct without going to the monitor.

[crosscountry55]

Originally Posted by jpgc99

You know Im not one to criticize these guys, but I think they should have been able to get the team control correct without going to the monitor.

I think they eventually would have because they huddled before they first went to the monitor. But in this situation, with a confirmation tool at their disposal, why not use it in this very critical situation?

[JetMetFan]

Originally Posted by crosscountry55

I loved how they pretended to be unsure so that they could confirm whether or not this was a TC foul. Well done.

Originally Posted by jpgc99

You know Im not one to criticize these guys, but I think they should have been able to get the team control correct without going to the monitor.

Originally Posted by crosscountry55

I think they eventually would have because they huddled before they first went to the monitor. But in this situation, with a confirmation tool at their disposal, why not use it in this very critical situation?

What makes you think they went to the monitor to determine whether it was a TC foul, especially since it isn't allowed by rule? There are too many people sitting at the scorer's table and too many microphones around for a crew in a regional final to go to the monitor for an unauthorized reason.

[Raymond]

It was a correct call, but the Kansas player was fouled on his dribble, which was why he lost control of the ball in the first place.

[canuckrefguy]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

It was a correct call, but the Kansas player was fouled on his dribble, which was why he lost control of the ball in the first place.

That was my thought - he got fouled by both Nova players.

Which official made the call? If he and Doug Sirmons from the Gonzaga game aren't working next weekend, we'll perhaps know why.

Oh - and hi everyone after like two years without posting

[chapmaja]

Originally Posted by canuckrefguy

That was my thought - he got fouled by both Nova players.

Which official made the call? If he and Doug Sirmons from the Gonzaga game aren't working next weekend, we'll perhaps know why.

Oh - and hi everyone after like two years without posting

My first thought was he was fouled before losing control, but when you watch in slow mo, the guy to his right does not make contact, or if there is contact it is very slight contact and was after he pushed the ball forward. The defender to his left does make some contact with the Kansas player, but it is after he had already knocked the ball forward and that contact also was slight contact.

In real time speed I am shocked the officials did not call a foul on Villanova for the first contact, but in my opinion they clearly got that call correct as well.

The simple fact is the Kansas player is the one who lost control and it was not caused by contact from an opponent.

[chapmaja]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

It was a correct call, but the Kansas player was fouled on his dribble, which was why he lost control of the ball in the first place.

Actually he wasn't. In real time it looks like he was, however upon slow motion review neither player has contact that is either significant or impacted the loss of control by the Kansas player. I am shocked it was not called, but they got the call correct on all fronts.

[Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.]

I have been a Jay Hawk fan from birth (my mom is Class of 1942), and I would have made that call.

MTD, Sr.

[thedewed]

A horrible call. Whether DG had control of the ball didn't matter, because Nova never got control, so was still in team control. So you penalize a kid for diving for a loose ball who gets there first, while the foulee doesn't even go to the ground to recover? Terrible call, sorry.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by thedewed

A horrible call. Whether DG had control of the ball didn't matter, because Nova never got control, so was still in team control. So you penalize a kid for diving for a loose ball who gets there first, while the foulee doesn't even go to the ground to recover? Terrible call, sorry.

Yes you do when that kid takes out another kid that legally got to his spot on the floor. Just cause you dive does not absolve you from contacting a legal player.

This a foul every day and twice on Easter Sunday.

Peace

[NNJOfficial]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

Yes you do when that kid takes out another kid that legally got to his spot on the floor. Just cause you dive does not absolve you from contacting a legal player.



This a foul every day and twice on Easter Sunday.



Peace

Amen!!!

[CallMeMrRef]

Arch dove for a loose ball near midcourt early in the first half and was called for a foul as he took out the Kansas players legs in diving to get the ball. I remember thinking - great hustle, but stupid foul - unless he thought "they don't call those fouls in this game..."

[WhistlesAndStripes]

Originally Posted by CallMeMrRef

Arch dove for a loose ball near midcourt early in the first half and was called for a foul as he took out the Kansas players legs in diving to get the ball. I remember thinking - great hustle, but stupid foul - unless he thought "they don't call those fouls in this game..."

@Jrutledge, can we get a video of this play from earlier in the game?

[MechanicGuy]

Originally Posted by thedewed

A horrible call. Whether DG had control of the ball didn't matter, because Nova never got control, so was still in team control. So you penalize a kid for diving for a loose ball who gets there first, while the foulee doesn't even go to the ground to recover? Terrible call, sorry.

So, removing the diving from the equation....Graham runs down a loose ball and then immediately runs over a stationary, legal defender. Still a bad call?
Labeling it as "penalizing hustle" is an egregious mischaracterizing of the rule.

[SNIPERBBB]

There was a big emphasis at the high school level a few years back to make these calls. Players were acting like it was a license to kill if the ball was loose and bodies were going to the floor.