MAAC Title Game: Several Plays (Video)

[Nevadaref]

1. I don't have a whistle on this one. The offensive player is jumping into the defender. Of course, the defender isn't perfect either, but to penalize just the defense isn't fair.

2. I believe that there is a slight touch to the face. Strangely the shooter doesn't even react to it. As Lead, I'm letting the Trail make this decision. What is being missed near the basket, if the Lead is looking out there?

3. That's definitely taunting by the player and a partner should have whacked the coach for his tirade afterwards.

4. The foul was WAY before the player began going up. In fact, he is actually bending downward when fouled and then comes back up after the foul. The official got this correct.

5. The defender does a great job and nothing wrong. I have no whistle at all on this play.

[HokiePaul]

1) After watching the replay, the defender is still moving into the shooting when contact occurs, so I guess by rule the call is correct. That said, in real time, I would have passed on this as the contact appeared to be initiated by the offensive player.

2. Given that he was looking there (which seemed odd but I know college may be different), it's a good call as the player does take a shot to the face. Good mechanics also to communicate what happened.

3. Seems like the official was already on alert for something here -- probably not the first time in this game that player had done something to catch the officials attention. Good call. Assuming the coach isn't out of the floor making a scene, I'd tend do do what the officials here did and ignore him while the free throws are occurring. At least from the video it doesn't look like anything that can't be ignored from the coach.

4. The official called the foul on the initial contact, which was before the shot.

5. In real time, it didn't appear the defender did anything wrong. However, on replay, the defender's left hand goes into the body of the player and may have contacted the shooters arm as well. The offensive player also pushes off, but the official would have had a good angle to see the defender's left hand so I assume that was what was called.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

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2. I believe that there is a slight touch to the face. Strangely the shooter doesn't even react to it. As Lead, I'm letting the Trail make this decision. What is being missed near the basket, if the Lead is looking out there?
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Nothing was missed near the basket. That is always such a weak argument.

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[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

Nothing was missed near the basket. That is always such a weak argument.

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Exactly and slow motion clearly shows he was struck in the face. The angle we have from the video was rather far away and in a different direction. But he clearly was hit in the face and that is something I will call when seen as much as possible.

Peace

[ballgame99]

1. Good call. Defender nowhere near vertical and coming forward.
2. I do not think that is a good get. May have been a foul, but the T is right there and there are rebounders battling the L needs to be looking at.
3. I know if a coach yelled across the court "that's bullshit, that's a terrible call" I wouldn't have much choice but to give an additional T.
4. Good call. Push foul came as he received the pass, caused a travel, and he was fouled again on his way up. From the initial angle I said count it, but from the low angle you can see the initial push.
5. PC. No-call at worst. You can't penalize that defender. I go PC on this because offensive player leads with an elbow and displaces the defender quite a bit. That would be an interesting discussion with the coach, especially with a minute left in the game, but it would be the right call.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by ballgame99

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2. I do not think that is a good get. May have been a foul, but the T is right there and there are rebounders battling the L needs to be looking at.
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Iona had just gotten an offensive rebound and kicked it out. There were no competitive matchups going on near the basket.

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[dahoopref]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

Iona had just gotten an offensive rebound and kicked it out. There were no competitive matchups going on near the basket.

Respectfully disagree. Red #25 and White #33 are near the block. While they might not be engaged, it only takes a split second for any type of illegal contact to occur; while the ball is in the air is when players position themselves for the rebound. The practice of L taking his eyes off these two players during a shot is not an action I would subscribe to IMO.

[Multiple Sports]

Originally Posted by dahoopref

Respectfully disagree. Red #25 and White #33 are near the block. While they might not be engaged, it only takes a split second for any type of illegal contact to occur; while the ball is in the air is when players position themselves for the rebound. The practice of L taking his eyes off these two players during a shot is not an action I would subscribe to IMO.

DHR -

I respectfully disagree with you and agree with BNR ( no you aren't getting my CCAC games ). The matchup you talk of in the post is not "engaged" or "hot", yes there are two players there....Now one can argue if the play in itself is a whistle but I don't mind four eyes on that play. Lead can quickly recover to the post...or a lead as good as BNR !!!!

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by Multiple Sports

DHR -

I respectfully disagree with you and agree with BNR ( no you aren't getting my CCAC games ). The matchup you talk of in the post is not "engaged" or "hot", yes there are two players there....Now one can argue if the play in itself is a whistle but I don't mind four eyes on that play. Lead can quickly recover to the post...or a lead as good as BNR !!!!

And I respectfully agree with your position.

Peace

[Multiple Sports]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

And I respectfully agree with your position.

Peace

Rut -

I will most likely be working with BNR in May at an EYBL event, at that time I will let you know if he is still that strong in the lead !!!!!

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by Multiple Sports

DHR -

I respectfully disagree with you and agree with BNR ( no you aren't getting my CCAC games ). The matchup you talk of in the post is not "engaged" or "hot", yes there are two players there....Now one can argue if the play in itself is a whistle but I don't mind four eyes on that play. Lead can quickly recover to the post...or a lead as good as BNR !!!!

Why do I get the feeling that several posters in this thread know the calling official on this play and are backing their buddy.

I have never had anyone characterize a 3pt jumpshooter with a single defender as a two-official play.

What the heck is the Trail supposed to be watching, if not these two players? The Lead is telling us that he doesn't think that the Trail can officiate 1v1 basketball. Perhaps he wants his game check too.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

Why do I get the feeling that several posters in this thread know the calling official on this play and are backing their buddy.

I have never had anyone characterize a 3pt jumpshooter with a single defender as a two-official play.

What the heck is the Trail supposed to be watching, if not these two players? The Lead is telling us that he doesn't think that the Trail can officiate 1v1 basketball. Perhaps he wants his game check too.

I have never met the official in question and if someone does not think this guy can officiate, he would not have been on the title game. Something tells me these guys know each other and something also tells me after seeing the video the Trail is thanking the Lead and probably bought him a beverage of some kind or will as a result.

It is one play, if that is all we have to talk about then we are doing just fine.

Peace

[Multiple Sports]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

Why do I get the feeling that several posters in this thread know the calling official on this play and are backing their buddy.

I have never had anyone characterize a 3pt jumpshooter with a single defender as a two-official play.

What the heck is the Trail supposed to be watching, if not these two players? The Lead is telling us that he doesn't think that the Trail can officiate 1v1 basketball. Perhaps he wants his game check too.

No one here is backing Mr. Anderson. His schedule speaks for itself. What we are saying is that he didn't have anything hot to officiate at the present moment. He took a peak at ball...saw contact on the shooter gave DJ a chance and came and got it. I'm sure DJ and Jeff may have had a conversation about the play.....if Kitts didn't like the whistle he will tell Jeff as well.

Again our point ( Rut / BNR & myself )....if you have NOTHING active and there is a shooter involved, which isn't in the next county take a look at that play....he did and thought it needed a whistle. Again we can argue whether or not it is a foul but we agree that him on ball when he had NOTHING going on in his primary to be OK.......

[dahoopref]

Originally Posted by Multiple Sports

DHR -

I respectfully disagree with you and agree with BNR ( no you aren't getting my CCAC games ). The matchup you talk of in the post is not "engaged" or "hot", yes there are two players there....Now one can argue if the play in itself is a whistle but I don't mind four eyes on that play. Lead can quickly recover to the post...or a lead as good as BNR !!!!

I'm glad we can be all hold hands and sing "Kumbaya" about this play.

I guess it's just a philosophy matter of how we are observed and supervised; could it be a regional thing? I know my coordinator would not want the L to reach out on this play; if the T doesn't call it then it's on him and he will be downgraded. Officiating in 3-man is a "team" concept. It's not like the T wasn't looking at the play or was blocked out; he made a decision and will have to live with it.

Where in the NCAA-M mechanics manual does it say the L signal a 3-pt attempt at the wing FT-line extended? The L looking out there means to me he is a ball-watcher and doesn't trust his partners.

[Multiple Sports]

But I'm right because BNR and Rut agree with me

Again I think we are talking apples and oranges....Anderson has nothing to referee at that moment. If he had Mourning and Shaq in the post banging on each other, I'd be up in arms as well....but at this moment 4 eyes is a great "team concept"...We all know that Scott Foster would have his eyes on this play as the lead...

Peace my brother !!!! Kumbaya to you as well !!!!!