Duke/Virginia PC/B call

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

This isn't a screening play. Being "stationary" is not required and the player is allowed to be moving at the time of contact. The rules allow the defender to jump into the air vertically, or even turn or duck to absorb contact.

Please be precise, if you are going to make a judgment on this play. It's only about reaching a position on the court before the opponent becomes airborne. Don't fall into the misguided thinking that the defender must be a perfectly still statue to take a charge.

That defender was still sliding into place when the offensive player went airborne. And that's why the Lead called a block

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[bob jenkins]

I think that it's very close and either call would be supported. I have the feet down just as the offensive player is leaving the floor, but the body is still straightening up over the feet.

[JRutledge]

This is clearly a block to me. Moving over while the shooter was airborne. Easy call if you ask me.

Peace

[JetMetFan]

Originally Posted by Lcubed48

Okay, it wasn't a blarge by mechanic, but I can assume that you're taught to withhold a preliminary.

I said live it looked to be a charge. On replay, I have a block. The defender didn't establish LGP prior to the beginning of the shooter's motion. ICC - I agree.

According to NCAAW mechanics, this play was then the C's all the way. In the clip, the L has his eyes on the play all the way to the end. If the C is following the ball into the paint, he had to pick up the defender late. I would assume that this play would be discussed in the postgame.

As Bob said, this play was the L's. If he had something in front of him which prevented him from seeing it then the C and/or the T would jump in after waiting a beat. I had one like this a few weeks ago. Big crash, no whistle and my first thought - I was the T - was, "Holy %*$&! That girl got hammered!" Then made the call. L thanked me afterwards because she got blocked out.

In an ideal world no one in the OP would have given a preliminary signal. They didn't seem to discuss it much on the court so my guess is the L wasn't 150% sure so he gave it up - possibly they had similar plays that were called blocks earlier and he went with that flow, though he was correct here. I'm thinking they would have discussed it in the locker room and an observer may have brought it up as well.

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[LRZ]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

I think that it's very close and either call would be supported. I have the feet down just as the offensive player is leaving the floor, but the body is still straightening up over the feet.

I don't understand how this factors into the analysis. How does it affect your call? Is it relevant in college? I don't see how it would be germane in HS, where LGP requires only two feet touching the court and the front of the torso facing the opponent. Or am I missing something?

[Raymond]

The endline view (from behind the Lead) tells me all I need to know.

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

The endline view (from behind the Lead) tells me all I need to know.

The whole point of my earlier post was that the endline view is the worst look for this particular play as one is shielded from seeing the offensive player's feet.

The camera view from the sideline seems to be a better look to me.

[JetMetFan]

Originally Posted by LRZ

I don't understand how this factors into the analysis. How does it affect your call? Is it relevant in college? I don't see how it would be germane in HS, where LGP requires only two feet touching the court and the front of the torso facing the opponent. Or am I missing something?

It doesn't, really. At least it doesn't based on a conversation with the SRE about another play posted on the forum two years ago. To paraphrase his thoughts (in no particular order)...

*Defenders aren't required to become statues once their feet hit the ground. It's not a fair expectation.
*Every player has their own vertical plane and they're allowed to rise within that plane. That includes straightening up.
*If their body moves forward outside their vertical plane and there's contact, they've committed a foul.

Again, that's me paraphrasing him.

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[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by JetMetFan

It doesn't, really. At least it doesn't based on a conversation with the SRE about another play posted on the forum two years ago. To paraphrase his thoughts (in no particular order)...

*Defenders aren't required to become statues once their feet hit the ground. It's not a fair expectation.
*Every player has their own vertical plane and they're allowed to rise within that plane. That includes straightening up.
*If their body moves forward outside their vertical plane and there's contact, they've committed a foul.

Again, that's me paraphrasing him.

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For the record, I'm not the SRE and I've never spoken to that person, but my thoughts are directly in line with those. Too many officials over penalize defenders.

[LRZ]

What does "SRE" mean?

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

... what is "ICC?"

International Code Council.

Originally Posted by LRZ

What does "SRE" mean?

Society of Reliability Engineers.

Mark T. DeNucci, Sr., and Choo Choo Charlie, belong to both of these organizations.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by LRZ

What does "SRE" mean?

Secretary rules editor, Jon Levinson

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[Smitty]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

International Code Council.



Society of Reliability Engineers.

Mark T. DeNucci, Sr., and Choo Choo Charlie, belong to both of these organizations.

Why do you insist on cluttering up meaningful conversation with your nonsense? So annoying...

[reffish]

As a crew, the C and L should have held their preliminary signals and determined the primary official, especially with a double whistle. What was the final call?

[jeremy341a]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

This is clearly a block to me. Moving over while the shooter was airborne. Easy call if you ask me.

Peace

Sincere question.
I'm not convinced the defense was but if the defense was already in the path when the offensive player went air born then the extra sideways movement is irrelevant correct?