Duke/Virginia PC/B call

[Lcubed48]

There are several things to talk about in this play. At the 9 minute mark of the 3rd quarter, there is a PC/B play. As I saw it live, I had a pc. However upon further review, I see that the C points for a pc, but the L indicates a block. [If memory serves, there are no blarges in the women's ncaa game.] My questions are: 1) CC/ICC, and 2) whose primary.

[Raymond]

Triple L,

You forgot to note in your title that this was a UVA/Duke Women's game.

I don't think Jeff posts those.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

Triple L,

You forgot to note in your title that this was a UVA/Duke Women's game.

I don't think Jeff posts those.

No I do not and I also do not post very local coverage either if that is the case. Now if someone has an idea of how I can get the ACC Network type coverage or even the PAC-10 Network coverage I am more than happy to start posting those situations.

Right now everything I post is from TV feeds and some ESPN feeds.

Peace

[JetMetFan]

Here's the play...





As to the questions/observations...in order:

*Lcubed, you're correct. Blarges do not exist in NCAAW. (A.R. 174: When the officials signal simultaneously, they shall get together and agree to give the call to the official who had the play originate in his/her primary. When the officials disagree that the fouls occurred simultaneously, they shall determine which foul occurred first. Once a decision is reached, that foul is reported to the official scorer and the appropriate penalty is assessed)

*This was a block so it was an ICC.

*As to whose primary it is, there's this from the Women's CCA manual:

*On drives from the C toward the L, the C is responsible for the play all the way to the basket.

*On drives down the lane and below the free-throw line, the L is responsible for the play all the way to the basket.

[Lcubed48]

Originally Posted by JetMetFan

As to the questions/observations...in order:

*Lcubed, you're correct. Blarges do not exist in NCAAW.

*This was a block so it was an ICC.

*As to whose primary it is, there's this from the Women's CCA manual:

Okay, it wasn't a blarge by mechanic, but I can assume that you're taught to withhold a preliminary.

I said live it looked to be a charge. On replay, I have a block. The defender didn't establish LGP prior to the beginning of the shooter's motion. ICC - I agree.

According to NCAAW mechanics, this play was then the C's all the way. In the clip, the L has his eyes on the play all the way to the end. If the C is following the ball into the paint, he had to pick up the defender late. I would assume that this play would be discussed in the postgame.

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by Lcubed48

I said live it looked to be a charge. On replay, I have a block. The defender didn't establish LGP prior to the beginning of the shooter's motion. ICC - I agree.

According to NCAAW mechanics, this play was then the C's all the way. In the clip, the L has his eyes on the play all the way to the end. If the C is following the ball into the paint, he had to pick up the defender late. I would assume that this play would be discussed in the postgame.

That's not the criterion. The correct criterion is LGP prior to the shooter leaving the floor. (and that's the criterion in NCAAM as well, I think)

No, this is L's call. The drive was down the lane.

And, I know it's going to be obvious, but what is "ICC?"

[JetMetFan]

Originally Posted by Lcubed48

Okay, it wasn't a blarge by mechanic, but I can assume that you're taught to withhold a preliminary.

I said live it looked to be a charge. On replay, I have a block. The defender didn't establish LGP prior to the beginning of the shooter's motion. ICC - I agree.

According to NCAAW mechanics, this play was then the C's all the way. In the clip, the L has his eyes on the play all the way to the end. If the C is following the ball into the paint, he had to pick up the defender late. I would assume that this play would be discussed in the postgame.

As Bob said, this play was the L's. If he had something in front of him which prevented him from seeing it then the C and/or the T would jump in after waiting a beat. I had one like this a few weeks ago. Big crash, no whistle and my first thought - I was the T - was, "Holy %*$&! That girl got hammered!" Then made the call. L thanked me afterwards because she got blocked out.

In an ideal world no one in the OP would have given a preliminary signal. They didn't seem to discuss it much on the court so my guess is the L wasn't 150% sure so he gave it up - possibly they had similar plays that were called blocks earlier and he went with that flow, though he was correct here. I'm thinking they would have discussed it in the locker room and an observer may have brought it up as well.

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[Lcubed48]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

Triple L,

You forgot to note in your title that this was a UVA/Duke Women's game.

I don't think Jeff posts those.

Mea culpa, I did forget to include that caveat. Thanks to JMF!

[Raymond]

The defendant was stationary upon contact but was still moving when A1 went airborne, imo.

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[Nevadaref]

This isn't a screening play. Being "stationary" is not required and the player is allowed to be moving at the time of contact. The rules allow the defender to jump into the air vertically, or even turn or duck to absorb contact.

Please be precise, if you are going to make a judgment on this play. It's only about reaching a position on the court before the opponent becomes airborne. Don't fall into the misguided thinking that the defender must be a perfectly still statue to take a charge.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

This isn't a screening play. Being "stationary" is not required and the player is allowed to be moving at the time of contact. The rules allow the defender to jump into the air vertically, or even turn or duck to absorb contact.

Please be precise, if you are going to make a judgment on this play. It's only about reaching a position on the court before the opponent becomes airborne. Don't fall into the misguided thinking that the defender must be a perfectly still statue to take a charge.

That defender was still sliding into place when the offensive player went airborne. And that's why the Lead called a block

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[bob jenkins]

I think that it's very close and either call would be supported. I have the feet down just as the offensive player is leaving the floor, but the body is still straightening up over the feet.

[LRZ]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

I think that it's very close and either call would be supported. I have the feet down just as the offensive player is leaving the floor, but the body is still straightening up over the feet.

I don't understand how this factors into the analysis. How does it affect your call? Is it relevant in college? I don't see how it would be germane in HS, where LGP requires only two feet touching the court and the front of the torso facing the opponent. Or am I missing something?

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

The defendant was stationary ...

... says Perry Mason.



(I realize that an obsolete definition of defendant is defender, but the word still seemed funny in it's context.)