PC or intentional?

[LRZ]

According to the clarification issued by PIAA in 2012:

Excessive swinging of arms/elbows, with no contact: violation.
Excessive swinging of arms/elbows, contact with the opponent below the shoulder: intentional.
Excessive swinging of arms/elbows, contact with the opponent above the shoulder: flagrant.

In the OP, I don't "see" excessive swinging of the arms/elbows.

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by packersowner

I could see going with a violation or player control. To me the excessive swinging elbows rule needs better clarification what constitutes:

a> violation
b> common foul
c> intentional
d> flagrant


I think D is easy, I think A - C need better understanding.

Originally Posted by Whistles & Stripes

I think A is pretty clear. If there's excessive swinging with intent to clear space, but NO CONTACT, then it's a violation.

No contact could also lead to a flagrant technical foul if you deem that the player intended to cause harm.

[BillyMac]

[Rob1968]

Rules Book 2012-13 Points of Emphasis
b. Examples of illegal contact above the shoulders and resulting penalties.
1) Contact with a stationary elbow may be incidental or a common foul.
2) An elbow in movement but not excessive should be an intentional foul.
3) A moving elbow that is excessive can be either an intentional foul or
flagrant foul.

[Dad]

Originally Posted by Adam

I've made the call twice: once in a MS game and once in a JV game. Both were rebounds where the player who had gained possession stretched out the elbows and swung in a way that made head contact. Both defenders dropped.

Did you flag both?