Elbow scenario

[biggravy]

Late in the game, A1 up big and shooting a 1 and 1. Shot misses. No one from A attempts a rebound. B1 has the rebound but B2 also grabs the rebound from behind B1. B1 with an angry look on her face unleashes an elbow toward the head of B2 obviously thinking this is an opposing player. There is no opponent within 10 feet. In a) the elbow contacts her teammate in the head or b) there is no contact.

Your call is...

[HokiePaul]

I would have a violation for excessively swinging elbows in both scenarios as this clearly fits the description of the violation.

[Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.]

Originally Posted by biggravy

Late in the game, A1 up big and shooting a 1 and 1. Shot misses. No one from A attempts a rebound. B1 has the rebound but B2 also grabs the rebound from behind B1. B1 with an angry look on her face unleashes an elbow toward the head of B2 obviously thinking this is an opposing player. There is no opponent within 10 feet. In a) the elbow contacts her teammate in the head or b) there is no contact.

Your call is...

I am letting this go. Do not make a call you cannot explain quickly and succinctly.

MTD, Sr.

[frezer11]

Originally Posted by Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.

I am letting this go. Do not make a call you cannot explain quickly and succinctly.

MTD, Sr.

Agree, no need to be an OOO.

[Nevadaref]

At minimum, I would call an excessive elbow swinging violation.

Depending upon how I view the act, I might call a technical foul for unsporting behavior, which could even be flagrant.

Consider if the player had thrown a punch at her teammate. That conduct is unacceptable.

[Dad]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

At minimum, I would call an excessive elbow swinging violation.

Depending upon how I view the act, I might call a technical foul for unsporting behavior, which could even be flagrant.

Consider if the player had thrown a punch at her teammate. That conduct is unacceptable.

I consider throwing an elbow at someone's head just as bad as throwing a punch.

Purposely contacting someone in the head with an elbow? I'm leaning towards the player no longer being on the court.

[Camron Rust]

Agree....the player tried to swing it at an opponent. Just because she was wrong and it was a teammate is no reason to ignore the act. At a minimum, call the violation. If you though she was trying to hurt someone with it, call a T.

[Smitty]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

Agree....the player tried to swing it at an opponent. Just because she was wrong and it was a teammate is no reason to ignore the act. At a minimum, call the violation. If you though she was trying to hurt someone with it, call a T.

Can't call a T - it's a live ball. I'm sure you meant an Intentional.

[frezer11]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

Agree....the player tried to swing it at an opponent. Just because she was wrong and it was a teammate is no reason to ignore the act. At a minimum, call the violation. If you though she was trying to hurt someone with it, call a T.

If you think she was trying to hurt someone, I would think you have more than a T.

I still don't think I'd have anything here, maybe a talk with the player and/or coach. I certainly wouldn't argue the violation call, but it seems to me that it is called so infrequently that many officials wouldn't go there seeing it live.

[frezer11]

Originally Posted by Smitty

Can't call a T - it's a live ball. I'm sure you meant an Intentional.

I don't think you can have an intentional either. An intentional HAS to be on an opponent, not between teammates.

[Smitty]

Originally Posted by frezer11

I don't think you can have an intentional either. An intentional HAS to be on an opponent, not between teammates.

And I may be wrong - since it was non-contact it could be a T I suppose.

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by Smitty

And I may be wrong - since it was non-contact it could be a T I suppose.

Not only "could be" but "must be" if a foul is called.

[LRZ]

Originally Posted by frezer11

I certainly wouldn't argue the violation call, but it seems to me that it is called so infrequently that many officials wouldn't go there seeing it live.

Its infrequency is no reason to not call the violation, especially considering the potential for serious injury. I had this call earlier this season; after the game, my partner chastised me for making something up, but he was apologetic when I showed him the rule.

[Dad]

Originally Posted by LRZ

Its infrequency is no reason to not call the violation, especially considering the potential for serious injury. I had this call earlier this season; after the game, my partner chastised me for making something up, but he was apologetic when I showed him the rule.

Quality right there.

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by frezer11

If you think she was trying to hurt someone, I would think you have more than a T.

A flagrant T is still a T. I didn't mean to suggest otherwise.