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biggravy Wed Feb 24, 2016 09:06pm

Elbow scenario
 
Late in the game, A1 up big and shooting a 1 and 1. Shot misses. No one from A attempts a rebound. B1 has the rebound but B2 also grabs the rebound from behind B1. B1 with an angry look on her face unleashes an elbow toward the head of B2 obviously thinking this is an opposing player. There is no opponent within 10 feet. In a) the elbow contacts her teammate in the head or b) there is no contact.

Your call is...

HokiePaul Wed Feb 24, 2016 09:33pm

I would have a violation for excessively swinging elbows in both scenarios as this clearly fits the description of the violation.

Mark T. DeNucci, Sr. Wed Feb 24, 2016 11:03pm

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Originally Posted by biggravy (Post 982274)
Late in the game, A1 up big and shooting a 1 and 1. Shot misses. No one from A attempts a rebound. B1 has the rebound but B2 also grabs the rebound from behind B1. B1 with an angry look on her face unleashes an elbow toward the head of B2 obviously thinking this is an opposing player. There is no opponent within 10 feet. In a) the elbow contacts her teammate in the head or b) there is no contact.

Your call is...


I am letting this go. Do not make a call you cannot explain quickly and succinctly.

MTD, Sr.

frezer11 Wed Feb 24, 2016 11:35pm

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Originally Posted by Mark T. DeNucci, Sr. (Post 982276)
I am letting this go. Do not make a call you cannot explain quickly and succinctly.

MTD, Sr.

Agree, no need to be an OOO.

Nevadaref Thu Feb 25, 2016 09:17am

At minimum, I would call an excessive elbow swinging violation.

Depending upon how I view the act, I might call a technical foul for unsporting behavior, which could even be flagrant.

Consider if the player had thrown a punch at her teammate. That conduct is unacceptable.

Dad Thu Feb 25, 2016 11:15am

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Originally Posted by Nevadaref (Post 982313)
At minimum, I would call an excessive elbow swinging violation.

Depending upon how I view the act, I might call a technical foul for unsporting behavior, which could even be flagrant.

Consider if the player had thrown a punch at her teammate. That conduct is unacceptable.

I consider throwing an elbow at someone's head just as bad as throwing a punch.

Purposely contacting someone in the head with an elbow? I'm leaning towards the player no longer being on the court.

Camron Rust Thu Feb 25, 2016 11:52am

Agree....the player tried to swing it at an opponent. Just because she was wrong and it was a teammate is no reason to ignore the act. At a minimum, call the violation. If you though she was trying to hurt someone with it, call a T.

Smitty Thu Feb 25, 2016 11:56am

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Originally Posted by Camron Rust (Post 982335)
Agree....the player tried to swing it at an opponent. Just because she was wrong and it was a teammate is no reason to ignore the act. At a minimum, call the violation. If you though she was trying to hurt someone with it, call a T.

Can't call a T - it's a live ball. I'm sure you meant an Intentional.

frezer11 Thu Feb 25, 2016 11:57am

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Originally Posted by Camron Rust (Post 982335)
Agree....the player tried to swing it at an opponent. Just because she was wrong and it was a teammate is no reason to ignore the act. At a minimum, call the violation. If you though she was trying to hurt someone with it, call a T.

If you think she was trying to hurt someone, I would think you have more than a T.

I still don't think I'd have anything here, maybe a talk with the player and/or coach. I certainly wouldn't argue the violation call, but it seems to me that it is called so infrequently that many officials wouldn't go there seeing it live.

frezer11 Thu Feb 25, 2016 11:59am

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Originally Posted by Smitty (Post 982338)
Can't call a T - it's a live ball. I'm sure you meant an Intentional.

I don't think you can have an intentional either. An intentional HAS to be on an opponent, not between teammates.

Smitty Thu Feb 25, 2016 11:59am

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Originally Posted by frezer11 (Post 982341)
I don't think you can have an intentional either. An intentional HAS to be on an opponent, not between teammates.

And I may be wrong - since it was non-contact it could be a T I suppose.

bob jenkins Thu Feb 25, 2016 12:15pm

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Originally Posted by Smitty (Post 982343)
And I may be wrong - since it was non-contact it could be a T I suppose.

Not only "could be" but "must be" if a foul is called.

LRZ Thu Feb 25, 2016 12:15pm

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Originally Posted by frezer11 (Post 982339)
I certainly wouldn't argue the violation call, but it seems to me that it is called so infrequently that many officials wouldn't go there seeing it live.

Its infrequency is no reason to not call the violation, especially considering the potential for serious injury. I had this call earlier this season; after the game, my partner chastised me for making something up, but he was apologetic when I showed him the rule.

Dad Thu Feb 25, 2016 12:20pm

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Originally Posted by LRZ (Post 982346)
Its infrequency is no reason to not call the violation, especially considering the potential for serious injury. I had this call earlier this season; after the game, my partner chastised me for making something up, but he was apologetic when I showed him the rule.

Quality right there.

Camron Rust Thu Feb 25, 2016 12:21pm

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Originally Posted by frezer11 (Post 982339)
If you think she was trying to hurt someone, I would think you have more than a T.

A flagrant T is still a T. I didn't mean to suggest otherwise.


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