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[jeremy341a]

I don't see the push off as weak. He cleared space. I don't view the arm bar as an automatic as mainly the offense moved into the arm and the arm was pulled back. That to me isn't keeping an arm bar on an opponent.

[deecee]

Here we are told 10-4-1 all day too. That arm bar was extended and much like 2 hands, or constant jabbing is "supposed" to be an automatic.

Armbar NOT withstanding that push off isn't minor and by itself is a PC foul. You have full extension by the ball handler into the defender to clear space (and a lot of it).

Most likely I would have the PC as well versus the handcheck simply for the fact that while I was processing 10-4-1 the push happened and it was WAY more obvious.

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by deecee

Here we are told 10-4-1 all day too. That arm bar was extended and much like 2 hands, or constant jabbing is "supposed" to be an automatic.

Armbar NOT withstanding that push off isn't minor and by itself is a PC foul. You have full extension by the ball handler into the defender to clear space (and a lot of it).

Most likely I would have the PC as well versus the handcheck simply for the fact that while I was processing 10-4-1 the push happened and it was WAY more obvious.

Absent the contact from the defender's arm (yes, that was an armbar anyway yo slice it), you probably wouldn't have the pushoff. Call the first foul. I'm not calling the PC if I'm not calling the armbar.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

Absent the contact from the defender's arm (yes, that was an armbar anyway yo slice it), you probably wouldn't have the pushoff. Call the first foul. I'm not calling the PC if I'm not calling the armbar.

Here is the Men's Rules

10-1-4

• a. Keeping a hand or forearm on an opponent
• b. Putting two hands on an opponent
• c. Continually jabbing an opponent by extending an arm(s) and placing a hand or forearm on the opponent
• d. Using an arm bar to impede the progress of the dribbler

None of these rules references happened on this play. The arm did not in any way impede the progress of the dribbler. He was going in one direction and he never was prevented from going in that direction.

The rule does not say "touching" is a foul. The contact has to do something. Even "b" has to be the defender actively putting their hands on the dribbler, not just retreating your hands that are likely in front of your body.

Now if you can show me a bulletin example I might agree with you. But I have not seen any such reference that suggest this play is a foul.

Peace

[jpgc99]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

Here is the Men's Rules

10-1-4

• a. Keeping a hand or forearm on an opponent
• b. Putting two hands on an opponent
• c. Continually jabbing an opponent by extending an arm(s) and placing a hand or forearm on the opponent
• d. Using an arm bar to impede the progress of the dribbler

None of these rules references happened on this play. The arm did not in any way impede the progress of the dribbler. He was going in one direction and he never was prevented from going in that direction.

The rule does not say "touching" is a foul. The contact has to do something. Even "b" has to be the defender actively putting their hands on the dribbler, not just retreating your hands that are likely in front of your body.

Now if you can show me a bulletin example I might agree with you. But I have not seen any such reference that suggest this play is a foul.

Peace

I agree 100% with everything JRut wrote. Touching is not a foul. I do not see any illegal contact initiated by the defense.

[deecee]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

Absent the contact from the defender's arm (yes, that was an armbar anyway yo slice it), you probably wouldn't have the pushoff. Call the first foul. I'm not calling the PC if I'm not calling the armbar.

2 wrongs don't make a right and that pushoff is pretty advantageous and severe.

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by deecee

2 wrongs don't make a right and that pushoff is pretty advantageous and severe.

A defender putting his arm out across the front of the dribbler is one of the thing that they want called....preventing the freedom of movement. I don't blame offensive players from pushing off if they are illegally being held back.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

A defender putting his arm out across the front of the dribbler is one of the thing that they want called....preventing the freedom of movement. I don't blame offensive players from pushing off if they are illegally being held back.

OK and you call that and you will feel better.

Peace

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

OK and you call that and you will feel better.

Peace

It is not about feeling better. It is about calling what I'm told to call.