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Old Sat Feb 20, 2016, 01:29pm
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Agree. Collision was OK, the extra chuck after the collision is not.
JRutledge's question was, "Does this need to be addressed?".

In my high school game, yes, it does need to be addressed.

At the bare minimum, Red #23 needs to be told that his action was definitely not appreciated and that he would be on a very short least the rest of the game.

Most likely, it would be a dead ball contact technical foul. Just two shots, and the ball, not flagrant.
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Old Sat Feb 20, 2016, 01:32pm
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JRutledge's question was, "Does this need to be addressed?".

In my high school game, yes, it does need to be addressed.
I would address this at any level. Either call a foul or stop everything. Actually at the college level this might be a bigger problem. High School kids tend to potentially have more control over them. At a JUCO game for example, this would start a fight. There is a reason plays are at the JUCO level and not the other levels. Usually it is because they are not so bright. At the D1 level, I think players know that everything is on TV and those officials are not to be messed with as a general rule.

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Old Sat Feb 20, 2016, 01:39pm
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I would address this at any level.
Anytime I post on a college thread, I like to add, "in my high school game", because I know that the penalties may be different in a college game. I know more about rocket science than I do about technical foul "levels" in the college game. I love high school basketball. I love high school basketball officiating. Other than taking in a few Connecticut mens, or womens, basketball games a season, and filling out my brackets every tournament, I'm just not a big college basketball fan. With my busy high school assignment schedule, and my day job (fans are always telling me, "Don't quit your day job."), I really don't have the time in the winter to follow college basketball, or pay attention to college basketball rules. But I do like to take advantage of breaking down video, even when it's a video of a college game.
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Old Sat Feb 20, 2016, 01:44pm
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Anytime I post on a college thread, I like to add, "in my high school game", because I know that the penalties may be different in a college game. I know more about rocket science than I do about technical foul "levels" in the college game.
The only difference in this area from high school to college is the application of what you do with the ball after you shoot the FTs and on some level who shoots the FTs. All dead ball contact fouls are Ts by definition (at least in NCAA Men).

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Old Sat Feb 20, 2016, 01:58pm
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The only difference in this area from high school to college is the application of what you do with the ball after you shoot the FTs and on some level who shoots the FTs. All dead ball contact fouls are Ts by definition (at least in NCAA Men).

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In general, yes, but the play we're referencing, administration would actually be identical.
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Old Sat Feb 20, 2016, 05:54pm
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I would address this at any level. Either call a foul or stop everything. Actually at the college level this might be a bigger problem. High School kids tend to potentially have more control over them. At a JUCO game for example, this would start a fight. There is a reason plays are at the JUCO level and not the other levels. Usually it is because they are not so bright. At the D1 level, I think players know that everything is on TV and those officials are not to be messed with as a general rule.

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Jeff -

Do you know if they went to the monitor on this? That might have been my first move as opposed to just calling a foul right off the bat. Regardless of what happened on a review at least the players would know they're being watched.
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Jeff -

Do you know if they went to the monitor on this? That might have been my first move as opposed to just calling a foul right off the bat. Regardless of what happened on a review at least the players would know they're being watched.
I don't believe you're able to go to the monitor unless you call the initial foul? I'll have to look at that, but I think the foul has to be called initially, then the review could potentially change the severity of that call.

EDIT: Actually, I suppose they could claim that they are checking to see if a flagrant 2 occurred, which is the only foul that could be called after replay without an initial call on the play, but I think that's a stretch here.

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Old Sat Feb 20, 2016, 10:27pm
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Jeff -

Do you know if they went to the monitor on this? That might have been my first move as opposed to just calling a foul right off the bat. Regardless of what happened on a review at least the players would know they're being watched.
I will have to look again, but I do not believe this was a monitor review.

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