Iona @ Monmonth Plays

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by frezer11

I'm also good with passing on the first, but if you do have a foul, isn't that a T? Dead ball contact technical.

It should be and that is why I showed the play.

These teams also had some history and some kind of altercation in the previous game. I think that might have been why this was ultimately called, but not sure how this is just a regular foul?

Peace

[BryanV21]

Play 1: Unless, like the announcer referred to, I know of a history and believe letting this go could lead to some type of retaliation and issue... I'm passing.

Play 2: At this angle, and in real speed, I couldn't pick up the pivot foot once the ball was gathered. It looked bad, though, but without knowing I'm passing on this. On replay, though, I saw the right foot was the pivot at the time the ball was gathered from the dribble, then picked up and put back down on the floor before the shot... travel.

[Raymond]

1) I could definitely see myself calling a T on this. I don't tolerate unnecessary crap in my games. Put a whistle on that and it let's everyone else know that bull---- won't be happening.

2) No commentary needed.

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

1) I could definitely see myself calling a T on this. I don't tolerate unnecessary crap in my games. Put a whistle on that and it let's everyone else know that bull---- won't be happening.

2) No commentary needed.

1. Agree. Collision was OK, the extra chuck after the collision is not.

2. Yep, Travel. Done.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

Agree. Collision was OK, the extra chuck after the collision is not.

JRutledge's question was, "Does this need to be addressed?".

In my high school game, yes, it does need to be addressed.

At the bare minimum, Red #23 needs to be told that his action was definitely not appreciated and that he would be on a very short least the rest of the game.

Most likely, it would be a dead ball contact technical foul. Just two shots, and the ball, not flagrant.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

JRutledge's question was, "Does this need to be addressed?".

In my high school game, yes, it does need to be addressed.

I would address this at any level. Either call a foul or stop everything. Actually at the college level this might be a bigger problem. High School kids tend to potentially have more control over them. At a JUCO game for example, this would start a fight. There is a reason plays are at the JUCO level and not the other levels. Usually it is because they are not so bright. At the D1 level, I think players know that everything is on TV and those officials are not to be messed with as a general rule.

Peace

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

I would address this at any level.

Anytime I post on a college thread, I like to add, "in my high school game", because I know that the penalties may be different in a college game. I know more about rocket science than I do about technical foul "levels" in the college game. I love high school basketball. I love high school basketball officiating. Other than taking in a few Connecticut mens, or womens, basketball games a season, and filling out my brackets every tournament, I'm just not a big college basketball fan. With my busy high school assignment schedule, and my day job (fans are always telling me, "Don't quit your day job."), I really don't have the time in the winter to follow college basketball, or pay attention to college basketball rules. But I do like to take advantage of breaking down video, even when it's a video of a college game.

[JetMetFan]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

I would address this at any level. Either call a foul or stop everything. Actually at the college level this might be a bigger problem. High School kids tend to potentially have more control over them. At a JUCO game for example, this would start a fight. There is a reason plays are at the JUCO level and not the other levels. Usually it is because they are not so bright. At the D1 level, I think players know that everything is on TV and those officials are not to be messed with as a general rule.

Peace

Jeff -

Do you know if they went to the monitor on this? That might have been my first move as opposed to just calling a foul right off the bat. Regardless of what happened on a review at least the players would know they're being watched.

[johnny d]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

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I think that might have been why this was ultimately called, but not sure how this is just a regular foul?

Peace

If a regular foul is what they went with then it is clearly a mistake. If you are going to call a foul on this play it has to be a contact dead ball technical.

[BryanV21]

Originally Posted by johnny d

If a regular foul is what they went with then it is clearly a mistake. If you are going to call a foul on this play it has to be a contact dead ball technical.

Not saying I think this is right, just asking for the hell of it...

Would you say that you believe the ball, after the made basket, was at the disposal of Monmouth when the foul occurred? Meaning Monmouth had team control, therefore it was a live ball when the foul was made.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by johnny d

If you are going to call a foul on this play it has to be a contact dead ball technical.

Maybe the center (who made the foul call), thought that the ball had already been inbounded, or was at the disposal (thus live), he appears to be looking at the two players involved, not the endline.

[johnny d]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

Maybe the center (who made the foul call), thought that the ball had already been inbounded, or was at the disposal (thus live), he appears to be looking at the two players involved, not the endline.

It wasn't even close to being at the disposal, the ball was bouncing on the floor when the foul occurred. Even if the calling official didn't know whether the ball was live or not, his partners need to bring him the information.