Video Req - CSU/Boise St - Buzzer Beater waved off....stopwatch used?

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by JetMetFan

I think what DVSport is saying is the system worked properly given the video clip that was used, which is correct. They're putting it back on the video coordinator and the officials for either not noticing it was a slo-mo clip or not asking the people in the truck to only use regular-speed clips.

Yeah it's semantics but they have a product to protect.

Agree...they may be right, that their system worked correctly. The operator of the equipment may be required to configure it for the format of the video being fed to it. If so, then it could be operator error (the video production crew, not the officials), not a software bug.

[Raymond]

Update: New interp for Men's and Women's.

"Due to a recent technological issue which arose during an instant replay review, the men’s and women’s rules committees are issuing this interpretation for the use of the stopwatch in future games. When it is necessary to correct a timing mistake by the use of a stopwatch, only the digital stopwatch provided to the timer per Rule 2-10.1 may be used by the officials. The use of any other clock or timing device (including those that may be seen on instant replay equipment) is not authorized."

[deecee]

Here is the full excerpt. Not sure if they are doubling down are providing an escape clause.

"Per Rule 2
-
10.1 the official timer must be provided with a digital stopwatch for use by the
timers and
officials during the course of the game to correct timing errors. For example:
1.
The game clock is stopped when it should have been running.
2.
The officials believe the game clock failed to start correctly when the ball was legally
touched by an i
nbounds player who then releases the ball for a successful try.
3.
The timer fails to start the game clock correctly.
4.
To determine the amount of time to put back on the shot clock when the shot clock operator
mistakenly resets the shot clock.
These are exa
mples only and do not exhaust the possibilities for other uses of the digital stopwatch.
Due to a recent technological issue which arose during an instant replay review, the men’s and
women’s rules committees are issuing this interpretation for the use of
the stopwatch in future games.
When it is necessary to correct a timing mistake by the use of a stopwatch, only the digital stopwatch
provided to the timer per Rule 2
-
10.1 may be used by the officials. The use of any other clock or timing
device (includin
g those that may be seen on instant replay equipment) is not authorized.
This interpretation is not intended nor does it replace or retract the ability of an official to correct other
timing mistakes by using an on
-
screen game clock display being shown o
n an instant replay monitor
as long as the display is synchronized with the game clock or is an actual live picture of the game
clock. Rule 11-1.1"

[bob jenkins]

I am more-than-a-little confused on when to use the digital stopwatch and when to use the video timer. I'd expect a few questions on next year's test about this.

And, despite the clearly stated "the timer must have a digital stop watch, not a phone, not a second hand on a watch" -- I wonder how often that is actually followed at the D-2 and D-3 levels (of course, the use of monitors is relatively rare at those levels as well).

[johnny d]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

I am more-than-a-little confused on when to use the digital stopwatch and when to use the video timer. I'd expect a few questions on next year's test about this.

And, despite the clearly stated "the timer must have a digital stop watch, not a phone, not a second hand on a watch" -- I wonder how often that is actually followed at the D-2 and D-3 levels (of course, the use of monitors is relatively rare at those levels as well).

I doubt it is ever followed at D3 level since there are not many, if any, that use video review. However, at least around here, that has changed. Recently a crew used the live stream feed, and yes the computer was at a table within 12 feet of the court, to decide if a shot at the end of regulation was good or not. Since then, the league has issued a memo that using this application is only allowed for game ending shots. None of the other replay situations can be used in their games.

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by johnny d

Since then, the league has issued a memo that using this application is only allowed for game ending shots. None of the other replay situations can be used in their games.

Yes, there's one conference (maybe the same one) that uses the monitor only for that situation. It will become more common and more expanded as we move forward, though.

[johnny d]

My guess is that more schools will have a computer with the streaming feed moved to the table or within limits of use for replay, once they all start hearing about it being used in the cciw. Most of the schools are already streaming their games.

[JetMetFan]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

I am more-than-a-little confused on when to use the digital stopwatch and when to use the video timer. I'd expect a few questions on next year's test about this.

And, despite the clearly stated "the timer must have a digital stop watch, not a phone, not a second hand on a watch" -- I wonder how often that is actually followed at the D-2 and D-3 levels (of course, the use of monitors is relatively rare at those levels as well).

Originally Posted by johnny d

I doubt it is ever followed at D3 level since there are not many, if any, that use video review. However, at least around here, that has changed. Recently a crew used the live stream feed, and yes the computer was at a table within 12 feet of the court, to decide if a shot at the end of regulation was good or not. Since then, the league has issued a memo that using this application is only allowed for game ending shots. None of the other replay situations can be used in their games.

If you work in any D2/D3 conferences where the NCAAW's SRE is within arm's length - as I do - the table probably has a stopwatch, trust me. I carry one for just such an emergency and I've given mine to the table crew more than a few times this season. Remember, the stopwatch isn't just for monitor reviews. It's supposed to be for timing timeouts and the intermission between the 1st/2nd and 3rd/4th periods.

[walt]

Originally Posted by jetmetfan

if you work in any d2/d3 conferences where the ncaaw's sre is within arm's length - as i do - the table probably has a stopwatch, trust me. I carry one for just such an emergency and i've given mine to the table crew more than a few times this season. Remember, the stopwatch isn't just for monitor reviews. It's supposed to be for timing timeouts and the intermission between the 1st/2nd and 3rd/4th periods.

+1

[PAlbc]

Is there some reason the replay video the officials use can't be shown with the time stamp visible? Then all you do is basic math. Time stamp of last frame - time stamp of first frame= total time. Simple.

A digital stopwatch is great, but there is no way to "slow" down a stop watch if you are going frame by frame, especially on buzzer beater type plays. You are then forced to simply re-time game speed replays and hope you get the clicks on the stopwatch right.