FT situation.

[Shooter14]

A1 released free throw, B1 came straight in and dislodged A1 before ball hit the rim, A1 missed the free throw.

[deecee]

Originally Posted by Shooter14

A1 released free throw, B1 came straight in and dislodged A1 before ball hit the rim, A1 missed the free throw.

We have been instructed to go with a violation unless the contact rose to the level of it needed to be called. Then we have a violation and foul.

[OKREF]

I'm pretty sure the POE reads "contact on the shooter", it doesn't specify contact rising to a certain level. It seems to me that the NFHS wants contact on the free throw shooter to be an automatic foul. However do as Rome instructs you to do.

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by OKREF

I'm pretty sure the POE reads "contact on the shooter", it doesn't specify contact rising to a certain level. It seems to me that the NFHS wants contact on the free throw shooter to be an automatic foul. However do as Rome instructs you to do.

As we discussed multiple times when the POE / pre-season guide came out -- many (and maybe most) places have said this is NOT an automatic foul and needs to be judged like other contact.

[OKREF]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

As we discussed multiple times when the POE / pre-season guide came out -- many (and maybe most) places have said this is NOT an automatic foul and needs to be judged like other contact.

That's why I said when in Rome.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by OKREF

I'm pretty sure the POE reads "contact on the shooter", it doesn't specify contact rising to a certain level. It seems to me that the NFHS wants contact on the free throw shooter to be an automatic foul. However do as Rome instructs you to do.

Did they change the incidental contact rule, too?

[OKREF]

Originally Posted by Adam

Did they change the incidental contact rule, too?

Listen, I get it. I just know how we've been instructed to call it here.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by OKREF

Listen, I get it. I just know how we've been instructed to call it here.

Believe me, I can understand that.

[Dad]

Originally Posted by OKREF

I'm pretty sure the POE reads "contact on the shooter", it doesn't specify contact rising to a certain level. It seems to me that the NFHS wants contact on the free throw shooter to be an automatic foul. However do as Rome instructs you to do.

NFHS uses the word contact a lot. For the purpose of reading case books and test questions contact is always deemed a foul. NFHS will say incidental contact to make it clear they're talking about contact that isn't supposed to have a whistle on it.

I've always understood 'contact' by NFHS to mean a foul. Not that all contact is a foul.

[Shooter14]

This situation was warranted to call a foul. It was already getting chippy. Then on the free throw (from C), I watched the defensive player take a straight path into the shooter and root him out. In my judgement, the player absolutely knew that as soon as the ball was released, he was going to be making good contact.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by Shooter14

This situation was warranted to call a foul. It was already getting chippy. Then on the free throw (from C), I watched the defensive player take a straight path into the shooter and root him out. In my judgement, the player absolutely knew that as soon as the ball was released, he was going to be making good contact.

Then I like the idea of the violation AND the foul.