NFHS. Time Out

[jTheUmp]

Nitpick:
Head Coaches and players can only request a time out.

Officials can grant a time out requested by the Head Coaches and/or players, provided that the appropriate conditions are met.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by jTheUmp

Nitpick:
Head Coaches and players can only request a time out.

Officials can grant a time out requested by the Head Coaches and/or players, provided that the appropriate conditions are met.

Really, what is the difference between calling a time-out and requesting a time-out? Either way you phrase it is the same to me, the time-out only comes into effect when the call or request for a time-out is granted.

[bainsey]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

Really, what is the difference between calling a time-out and requesting a time-out?

Last I checked, the only ones who could make calls on the floor were us.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

Really, what is the difference between calling a time-out and requesting a time-out? Either way you phrase it is the same to me, the time-out only comes into effect when the call or request for a time-out is granted.

I think it matters because when a player or coach yells "time-out" they think that it must be granted the minute they make the request. They even get mad if you do not give the request the minute they form the words. So I know it is not a big deal to us, but it can be misinterpreted IMO what others think.

I had a kid the other day in a college game yell timeout when it was just me and him standing next to each other and the ball was on the other side of the court. I had absolutely no clean view of possession and the ball was less than 6 feet away from the official who eventually granted the timeout after a rebound.

I understand we are paying the semantics game on some level, but it is a pretty big semantic. I have almost as many "arguments" over a timeout and when they said made the request than I do over just about any other aspect of the game outside of fouls.

Peace

If we can only grant a timeout to a player in the game or head coach why do all the refs in my area ask the head coaches before the game if they are calling their own timeouts?

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by AremRed

If we can only grant a timeout to a player in the game or head coach why do all the refs in my area ask the head coaches before the game if they are calling their own timeouts?

Why would you ask the coach such a question?

It sounds rather unique to your area. The rule is clear who can and who cannot make a request.

Peace

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by AremRed

If we can only grant a timeout to a player in the game or head coach why do all the refs in my area ask the head coaches before the game if they are calling their own timeouts?

Same reason they state that it's the black line all the way around, ask for a speaking captain, ask the number of the speaking captain, ask if the speaking captain is starting, etc.

[#olderthanilook]

Originally Posted by jTheUmp

Nitpick:
Head Coaches and players can only request a time out.

Officials can grant a time out requested by the Head Coaches and/or players, provided that the appropriate conditions are met.

Actually, anyone *can* request a time out. But, officials will only grant a t.o. requested by a player or the head coach of a team if a player on that coach's team has control of the ball.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by jTheUmp

Nitpick:
Head Coaches and players can only request a time out.

Officials can grant a time out requested by the Head Coaches and/or players, provided that the appropriate conditions are met.

In my experience this nit is neither helpful nor substantive.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by Adam

In my experience this nit is neither helpful nor substantive.

Disagree, it emphasizes that it's a process that involves more than one step. Time out is requested. Official makes sure that all the conditions for the time out being granted are met. Time out is, or isn't, granted. Thus is especially important in training new officials. Many experienced veterans take this process for granted, making the entire process almost automatic.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

Disagree, it emphasizes that it's a process that involves more than one step. Time out is requested. Official makes sure that all the conditions for the time out being granted are met. Time out is, or isn't, granted. Thus is especially important in training new officials. Many experienced veterans take this process for granted, making the entire process almost automatic.

No one is arguing the granted part. What we don't care about is whether it is called or requested, both are the same.

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[Adam]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

Disagree, it emphasizes that it's a process that involves more than one step. Time out is requested. Official makes sure that all the conditions for the time out being granted are met. Time out is, or isn't, granted. Thus is especially important in training new officials. Many experienced veterans take this process for granted, making the entire process almost automatic.

It's semantics, nothing more. The common usage doesn't perpetuate any myths. There are even case plays or interps that use the terms interchangeably.

No one thinks that when a coach calls for a timeout it's automatically granted, there is no confusion on the process by anyone.

[Rich]

Originally Posted by Adam

It's semantics, nothing more. The common usage doesn't perpetuate any myths. There are even case plays or interps that use the terms interchangeably.

No one thinks that when a coach calls for a timeout it's automatically granted, there is no confusion on the process by anyone.

Exactly. When I saw the first post in this thread mentioning the "called" vs. "requested" canard, I could hear my eyes rolling in my head.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by Rich

When I saw the first post in this thread mentioning the "called" vs. "requested" canard, I could hear my eyes rolling in my head.

Thank God nobody called timeout from the baseline.

[Rich]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

Thank God nobody called timeout from the baseline.

I say "end line." It's become habit. I would never correct or think to correct anyone who says baseline. Funny enough, I was speaking at some thing a while back and someone came up and said, "I knew right away when you said 'end line' that you knew what you were talking about." Not really.

There are things that make my skin crawl..."reach", "over the back", "on the floor." I have partners that say these phrases and I've cringed silently and mentioned it once in a while to ones that I know would take it the right way.

But requesting and calling for a time out? Please.