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Old Thu Feb 04, 2016, 12:27pm
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Cool! Unfortunately I don't think that interp is present in the current rules book. As some might know I am hesitant to apply rules based on interpretations from many years ago (eg. the technical foul for teams running around the opposing players warming up).

If I can't open my current rule book and point to it, why should I be applying it?
Because the rule is quite clear without the interpretation. It's one thing when the rule is ambiguous, or even says the opposite of the existing interpretations, but this isn't one of those cases.
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Old Thu Feb 04, 2016, 12:53pm
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Because the rule is quite clear without the interpretation. It's one thing when the rule is ambiguous, or even says the opposite of the existing interpretations, but this isn't one of those cases.
If you want to die on that hill, go ahead. You're not incorrect in your assessment. But I'll pick my battles and leave well-enough alone on this one. I've always heard guys say "don't go searching for T's, they'll find you." I think in this case, you're hunting for one.
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Old Thu Feb 04, 2016, 01:27pm
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If you want to die on that hill, go ahead. You're not incorrect in your assessment. But I'll pick my battles and leave well-enough alone on this one. I've always heard guys say "don't go searching for T's, they'll find you." I think in this case, you're hunting for one.
If someone takes the jersey off right in the gym, the T has found you. Only pure disinterest in applying the rules gets you out of calling that one. Sometimes you can't save players from their own stupidity.

What are you going to say to the opposing coach when he confronts you with not calling the blatantly obvious technical?
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Old Thu Feb 04, 2016, 01:36pm
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If someone takes the jersey off right in the gym, the T has found you. Only pure disinterest in applying the rules gets you out of calling that one. Sometimes you can't save players from their own stupidity.

What are you going to say to the opposing coach when he confronts you with not calling the blatantly obvious technical?
I was talking about the T for leaving the bench anyway, but with regard to the jersey I'm going to say something to the tune of "I didn't see it, coach. I was focused on the action on the court," if I happen to be in that situation
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Old Thu Feb 04, 2016, 01:38pm
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I was talking about the T for leaving the bench anyway, but with regard to the jersey I'm going to say something to the tune of "I didn't see it, coach. I was focused on the action on the court," if I happen to be in that situation
Every time I've seen this happen, it's literally been a player 3 feet in front of the referee during a dead ball to deal with the blood on the jersey. Good luck with that excuse.
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Old Thu Feb 04, 2016, 01:38pm
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...and as somebody mentioned, a bit of preventative officiating (i.e. "hey coach, make sure he does that in the locker room") will avoid that whole situation.
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...and as somebody mentioned, a bit of preventative officiating (i.e. "hey coach, make sure he does that in the locker room") will avoid that whole situation.
Yup. Couple times a player starts to take the jersey off I stop him and tell him to do it in the hallway and away from the gym.
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Old Thu Feb 04, 2016, 01:59pm
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I was talking about the T for leaving the bench anyway, but with regard to the jersey I'm going to say something to the tune of "I didn't see it, coach. I was focused on the action on the court," if I happen to be in that situation
Don't put your creditability and integrity in jeopardy.

Advise the coach, then if they don't comply and you have to call it, they'll know why.
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Old Thu Feb 04, 2016, 02:26pm
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Don't put your creditability and integrity in jeopardy.

Advise the coach, then if they don't comply and you have to call it, they'll know why.
That's a fair point, but I tend to not pay attention to the bench unless they give me reason to.
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That's a fair point, but I tend to not pay attention to the bench unless they give me reason to.
If the crew sends a player off to change a jersey (or whatever), then it is the crew's responsibility to monitor the situation. When the notification is made to make the uniform adjustment a caveat needs to accompany it, "please make sure your player leaves the visible confines of the gym." "I don't pay attention to the bench" is not acceptable in this situation.
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Old Thu Feb 04, 2016, 01:04pm
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Because the rule is quite clear without the interpretation. It's one thing when the rule is ambiguous, or even says the opposite of the existing interpretations, but this isn't one of those cases.
I agree. Sort of. However, if I know a player has blood on his shirt and needs to change, I'm miraculously paying no attention to anyone but the players on the court. In other words, it's not something I'm meticulously watching for.
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Old Thu Feb 04, 2016, 01:15pm
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I agree. Sort of. However, if I know a player has blood on his shirt and needs to change, I'm miraculously paying no attention to anyone but the players on the court. In other words, it's not something I'm meticulously watching for.
Why not simply give the coach a quiet reminder before the kid takes off the shirt?
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Old Thu Feb 04, 2016, 01:45pm
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Why not simply give the coach a quiet reminder before the kid takes off the shirt?
In a high school Xmas tournament I watched, a kid played the first quarter with a white t-shirt under a blue jersey. At the quarter break, an official told him the T-shirt needed to go. So the kid removes both shirts at the bench--with no repercussion. From the fourth row, it was pick and choose deluxe.

As you say, it's so easy to help yourself in this one with a quick "and change outside of court view"
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Why not simply give the coach a quiet reminder before the kid takes off the shirt?
I'm not even quiet about it.

"Coach, keep me out of trouble and send him out of the gym where I can't see him to change his shirt."

Stupid rule, but pretty damned clear cut.
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I'm not even quiet about it.

"Coach, keep me out of trouble and send him out of the gym where I can't see him to change his shirt."

Stupid rule, but pretty damned clear cut.
I think Title IX forced that rule upon us.
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