When to call the Technical

[Eastshire]

Originally Posted by AremRed

Cool! Unfortunately I don't think that interp is present in the current rules book. As some might know I am hesitant to apply rules based on interpretations from many years ago (eg. the technical foul for teams running around the opposing players warming up).

If I can't open my current rule book and point to it, why should I be applying it?

Because the rule is quite clear without the interpretation. It's one thing when the rule is ambiguous, or even says the opposite of the existing interpretations, but this isn't one of those cases.

[UNIgiantslayers]

Originally Posted by Eastshire

Because the rule is quite clear without the interpretation. It's one thing when the rule is ambiguous, or even says the opposite of the existing interpretations, but this isn't one of those cases.

If you want to die on that hill, go ahead. You're not incorrect in your assessment. But I'll pick my battles and leave well-enough alone on this one. I've always heard guys say "don't go searching for T's, they'll find you." I think in this case, you're hunting for one.

[Eastshire]

Originally Posted by UNIgiantslayers

If you want to die on that hill, go ahead. You're not incorrect in your assessment. But I'll pick my battles and leave well-enough alone on this one. I've always heard guys say "don't go searching for T's, they'll find you." I think in this case, you're hunting for one.

If someone takes the jersey off right in the gym, the T has found you. Only pure disinterest in applying the rules gets you out of calling that one. Sometimes you can't save players from their own stupidity.

What are you going to say to the opposing coach when he confronts you with not calling the blatantly obvious technical?

[UNIgiantslayers]

Originally Posted by Eastshire

If someone takes the jersey off right in the gym, the T has found you. Only pure disinterest in applying the rules gets you out of calling that one. Sometimes you can't save players from their own stupidity.

What are you going to say to the opposing coach when he confronts you with not calling the blatantly obvious technical?

I was talking about the T for leaving the bench anyway, but with regard to the jersey I'm going to say something to the tune of "I didn't see it, coach. I was focused on the action on the court," if I happen to be in that situation

[Eastshire]

Originally Posted by UNIgiantslayers

I was talking about the T for leaving the bench anyway, but with regard to the jersey I'm going to say something to the tune of "I didn't see it, coach. I was focused on the action on the court," if I happen to be in that situation

Every time I've seen this happen, it's literally been a player 3 feet in front of the referee during a dead ball to deal with the blood on the jersey. Good luck with that excuse.

[UNIgiantslayers]

...and as somebody mentioned, a bit of preventative officiating (i.e. "hey coach, make sure he does that in the locker room") will avoid that whole situation.

[deecee]

Originally Posted by UNIgiantslayers

...and as somebody mentioned, a bit of preventative officiating (i.e. "hey coach, make sure he does that in the locker room") will avoid that whole situation.

Yup. Couple times a player starts to take the jersey off I stop him and tell him to do it in the hallway and away from the gym.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by UNIgiantslayers

I was talking about the T for leaving the bench anyway, but with regard to the jersey I'm going to say something to the tune of "I didn't see it, coach. I was focused on the action on the court," if I happen to be in that situation

Don't put your creditability and integrity in jeopardy.

Advise the coach, then if they don't comply and you have to call it, they'll know why.

[UNIgiantslayers]

Originally Posted by Adam

Don't put your creditability and integrity in jeopardy.

Advise the coach, then if they don't comply and you have to call it, they'll know why.

That's a fair point, but I tend to not pay attention to the bench unless they give me reason to.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by UNIgiantslayers

That's a fair point, but I tend to not pay attention to the bench unless they give me reason to.

If the crew sends a player off to change a jersey (or whatever), then it is the crew's responsibility to monitor the situation. When the notification is made to make the uniform adjustment a caveat needs to accompany it, "please make sure your player leaves the visible confines of the gym." "I don't pay attention to the bench" is not acceptable in this situation.

[Dad]

Originally Posted by Eastshire

Because the rule is quite clear without the interpretation. It's one thing when the rule is ambiguous, or even says the opposite of the existing interpretations, but this isn't one of those cases.

I agree. Sort of. However, if I know a player has blood on his shirt and needs to change, I'm miraculously paying no attention to anyone but the players on the court. In other words, it's not something I'm meticulously watching for.

[so cal lurker]

Originally Posted by Dad

I agree. Sort of. However, if I know a player has blood on his shirt and needs to change, I'm miraculously paying no attention to anyone but the players on the court. In other words, it's not something I'm meticulously watching for.

Why not simply give the coach a quiet reminder before the kid takes off the shirt?

[Jesse James]

Originally Posted by so cal lurker

Why not simply give the coach a quiet reminder before the kid takes off the shirt?

In a high school Xmas tournament I watched, a kid played the first quarter with a white t-shirt under a blue jersey. At the quarter break, an official told him the T-shirt needed to go. So the kid removes both shirts at the bench--with no repercussion. From the fourth row, it was pick and choose deluxe.

As you say, it's so easy to help yourself in this one with a quick "and change outside of court view"

[Adam]

Originally Posted by so cal lurker

Why not simply give the coach a quiet reminder before the kid takes off the shirt?

I'm not even quiet about it.

"Coach, keep me out of trouble and send him out of the gym where I can't see him to change his shirt."

Stupid rule, but pretty damned clear cut.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by Adam

I'm not even quiet about it.

"Coach, keep me out of trouble and send him out of the gym where I can't see him to change his shirt."

Stupid rule, but pretty damned clear cut.

I think Title IX forced that rule upon us.