Double Dribble?

[Jay R]

I noticed you said "she stayed fully inbounds". By the way , she could have gone out of bounds and come back inbound and be the first to touch the ball.

[Dad]

Originally Posted by Jay R

I noticed you said "she stayed fully inbounds". By the way , she could have gone out of bounds and come back inbound and be the first to touch the ball.

Eh. Not really. Especially as a dribbler it better be clear it's not a controlled dribble.

1) You can't dribble, step on an out of bounds line, come back in and dribble again. This is a violation. The only exceptions are being off-balance/taking a shot and momentum carrying you out of bounds and coming back in for rebound/etc.

2) Running OOB can also be judged as a violation.

The 'tap ahead' in this play could very well be judged a dribble. It's a violation if it's touched by the same player first.

[BigCat]

Originally Posted by Dad

Eh. Not really. Especially as a dribbler it better be clear it's not a controlled dribble.

1) You can't dribble, step on an out of bounds line, come back in and dribble again. This is a violation. The only exceptions are being off-balance/taking a shot and momentum carrying you out of bounds and coming back in for rebound/etc.

2) Running OOB can also be judged as a violation.

The 'tap ahead' in this play could very well be judged a dribble. It's a violation if it's touched by the same player first.

If you are dribbling the ball it is a violation the moment you step on the line. the coming back in/first to touch stuff doesn't matter. You have player control. If it is an interrupted dribble there is no player control. If you run out of bounds of your own volition you have committed a leaving the floor for unauthorized reason violation.

If the dribble was interrupted, and your momentum makes you step out of bounds all you have to do is reestablish yourself inbounds. one foot inbounds with the other in the air is enough. you can go continue the dribble then.

In this case maybe the "tap ahead" was done underhanded. If the hand was under the ball the dribble ended. Dribbling it again would be double dribble. just a thought.

[Dad]

Originally Posted by BigCat

In this case maybe the "tap ahead" was done underhanded. If the hand was under the ball the dribble ended. Dribbling it again would be double dribble. just a thought.

I've never heard this before. Why has the dribble ended if the hand was under the ball? Players can dribble by hitting under the ball, but they just have to wait until it hits the floor every time to touch the ball again.

[BigCat]

Originally Posted by Dad

I've never heard this before. Why has the dribble ended if the hand was under the ball? Players can dribble by hitting under the ball, but they just have to wait until it hits the floor every time to touch the ball again.

I was thinking that maybe he saw a hand under the ball and thought it came to rest for a moment.

[Dad]

Originally Posted by BigCat

I was thinking that maybe he saw a hand under the ball and thought it came to rest for a moment.

Ahh, gotcha. Then the official made the right call.

[deecee]

Originally Posted by Dad

Ahh, gotcha. Then the official made the right call.

Or the most obvious answer is that it's a 7th grade game and the official isn't exactly Dick Bavetta.

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by BigCat

In this case maybe the "tap ahead" was done underhanded. If the hand was under the ball the dribble ended. Dribbling it again would be double dribble. just a thought.

Incorrect. Having the hand under the ball does not end the dribble. It is legal for the hand to be under the ball and continue to dribble if the ball isn't caught. Having the hand under the ball doesn't equate the ball being caught. It could be batted/tapped.

[BigCat]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

Incorrect. Having the hand under the ball does not end the dribble. It is legal for the hand to be under the ball and continue to dribble if the ball isn't caught. Having the hand under the ball doesn't equate the ball being caught. It could be batted/tapped.

I know i didn't say it right. cleared it up in a subsequent post. If the ball comes to rest, for even a moment, the dribble is over. I was trying to say this may be what official thought he saw etc

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by Dad

You can't dribble, step on an out of bounds line, come back in and dribble again.

Dad: Are you confusing two different rules?

4-15-6: Out-of-bounds violation does not apply on the player involved in the interrupted dribble.

9-3-1-Note: The dribbler has committed a violation if he/she steps on or outside a boundary, even though he/she is not touching the ball while he/she is out of bounds.

And then, there's this: If a player's momentum carries him or her off the court, he, or she, can be the first player to touch the ball after returning inbounds. That player must not have left the court voluntarily, and must immediately return inbounds. That player must have something in, and nothing out. It is not necessary to have both feet back inbounds. It is a violation for a player to intentionally leave the court for an unauthorized reason.

[Dad]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

Dad: Are you confusing two different rules?

No, but I may have stated my point poorly.

[BatteryPowered]

I have seen this called a violation as well and always wondered if I was missing something. Similarly, a great many coaches (and some officials) think the following is a double dribble:

A1 is dribbling in the front court. A1 grabs the ball with both hands and attempts a pivot. B1 slaps the ball, causing it to fall from the hands of A1. A1 reaches out and regains control by starting a dribble.

Is it me? This is not a double dribble as a defender knocked the ball free.

[Dad]

Originally Posted by BatteryPowered

I have seen this called a violation as well and always wondered if I was missing something. Similarly, a great many coaches (and some officials) think the following is a double dribble:

A1 is dribbling in the front court. A1 grabs the ball with both hands and attempts a pivot. B1 slaps the ball, causing it to fall from the hands of A1. A1 reaches out and regains control by starting a dribble.

Is it me? This is not a double dribble as a defender knocked the ball free.

I've never heard a coach complain about this in HS. At least, I don't remember!

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by Dad

I've never heard a coach complain about this in HS. At least, I don't remember!

I haven't either, but i had a partner (one who had worked several state tourneys) as lead call it when it was right in front of me at the division line. I tried to tell him that the defender knocked it free but he insisted it was a double dribble so we went with it.