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And if it wasn't a TC foul (say it happened just before A1 got the ball), the it would be ignored if not intentional and an intentional technical if not ignored.
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and with that I'm more embarrassed.
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In that past, I had a game where I called a shooting foul followed by a T, and my partner then administered the shots in the wrong order. Last night, I had the same situation (shooting foul followed by a T). Given last night's partner was a rookie, I made sure we met to discuss the T, and I made sure he knew we shot the original three free throws first, followed by the 2 for the T.
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When I first came here it wasn't like that at all. So it's a throw-back nickname. LOL
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Absolutely not.
Did A make all their freethrows? Did A makeall their shot attemts? If not, it's on their shoulders....... I agree with others that the foul by A2 was a TC foul by rule. As such, the subsequent free throw attempt by B was an unmeritted free throw, which would have been a correctable error. Since he missed the FT attempt, there was no real affect on the game. The only effective error I see was going to the arrow. As others have pointed out, the lane should have been cleared, A1 allowed to attempt their 2 FT's, then give B the ball at the end line. Team B should have kept the arrow, so if anything your crew's error benefitted team A, not team B. We've all been there at one time or another, so don't let it eat at you - learn from it and move on.
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Next Time BryanV21 Is In Connecticut ...
This is the most important part of the post. BryanV21 and his partners got together to collectivity try to figure out an odd situation, a situation that few of us see over the course of a season, or even over the course of several seasons. It's also important to note that the error bothered BryanV21, he didn't just shrug it off. I'd work with BryanV21 in any game, at any time.
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Not Distracted By The Misdirection ...
Greatest post we've seen on the Forum in a long time. I bet magicians hate Adam.
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1. Officiating mistakes happen to all of us. We hate it. We feel awful, but it is never as bad as we think. We are just harder on ourselves than any non-official can imagine.
2. The foul by A2 is indeed a team control foul. The NFHS has a case book play on this. I'll let you find it. 3. No one else has brought this up yet, but per NFHS interpretation A2 also committed a FT lane violation when he fouled, so that FT is now over and A1 should have only been awarded his second FT attempt wit the lane cleared. Therefore, your crew actually awarded two unmerited FTs in the administration of this. 4. Your attitude has improved a tremendous amount since you first posted on this forum. You are also going to become a much better official because of that. You are now willing to learn from others and your mistakes. |
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Free Throw Violation ???
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Caseplay (below) isn't exactly the same as the original post, but it's the closest that I could find: 9.1.3 SITUATION I: During a free throw by A1, B1 pushes A2, then B2, who is in a marked lane space, is in the lane too soon: (a) before A1 has started a freethrowing motion; or (b) after A1 has started a throwing motion. RULING: In (a), the foul by B1 causes the ball to become dead immediately, therefore the act, by B2 is not a violation. A1 is permitted the specified number of free throws, after which the foul is penalized. In (b), the foul does not cause the ball to become dead immediately, so there are two infractions. Even though the foul occurred first, the violation is the first to be penalized if A1’s try is unsuccessful. (4-11; 6-7 Exception c; 9-1 Penalty 2)
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How about that?
Friday night was perhaps my worst night of officiating, and last night was one of my best. From what I read in the rule book it was not a violation. 9-1-3 d. says "no player shall enter a marked lane space or leave a marked lane space by contacting the court outside the 36-inch by 36-inch space until the ball is released." The player that committed the foul did not contact the court outside of his marked lane space. And part g. of 9-1-3 says "a player occupying a marked lane space may not have either foot beyond the vertical plane of the outside edge of the lane boundary, or beyond the vertical plane of any edge of the space (2 inches by 36 inches) designated by the lane-space marks." His feet did not leave his marked lane space. There may be case plays that say otherwise, but looking at these rules I don't see a violation. |
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Almost Always Listen To Nevadaref ...
I'm sure that Nevadaref has something up his sleeve. I can't wait for his response. He'll probably pull something out of the 1953-54 NFHS Basketball Rules Interpretations?
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