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I've seldom called it, but I warn them to prevent a violation if I think it's going to be a problem. I don't know why it's a gender issue, but girls always want to lift the heel of their shoe over the mark on the lane line. It's never boys. It must have something to do with having two X chromosomes.
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Also the ladies seem to do the box out after a three point attempt and stick thier Butt into the shooter.
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Old Mon Jan 25, 2016, 05:55pm
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I recall the NFHS including something about contact between opponents in marked lane spaces being illegal in a recent POE. I and several others disagreed that any contact at all was illegal, but that is what the POE said. I thought that there was some equating of this "foul" to a violation too by the NFHS. Now I'll have to check and see what I can unearth.
I appreciate it. I assumed you weren't just pulling that out of thin air.
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Old Tue Jan 26, 2016, 03:48pm
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Would the team control foul cause the ball to become dead immediately similar to a field goal attempt?
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Old Tue Jan 26, 2016, 03:58pm
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Would the team control foul cause the ball to become dead immediately similar to a field goal attempt?
Yes.
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Old Wed Jan 27, 2016, 10:50am
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Yes.
So then the free throw should have never happened and it should have been B ball at the spot nearest the foul?
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So then the free throw should have never happened and it should have been B ball at the spot nearest the foul?
No - think it through.....this was the first of two merited free throws...
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Old Wed Jan 27, 2016, 11:11am
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So then the free throw should have never happened and it should have been B ball at the spot nearest the foul?
Are you saying/asking that we take the ball from Team A's free thrower (the TCF nullifies the pending FT) and give it to Team B for a spot throw-in?
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Old Wed Jan 27, 2016, 11:15am
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So then the free throw should have never happened and it should have been B ball at the spot nearest the foul?
What rule are you using to take away A's free throws?
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Old Wed Jan 27, 2016, 03:02pm
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Interesting (?) that "disposal" creates TC during a throw-in, but not during a FT.

Oversight or intentional?
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Possibly because "disposal" on a FT is going to lead to either a timeout or a violation?
Hmmm ... interesting scenario. If there is no player/team control when the ball is at the disposal of the free-thrower when using the ROP procedure, wouldn't that mean that a timeout could not be granted? Only outcome ... violation.
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Old Wed Jan 27, 2016, 03:31pm
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Hmmm ... interesting scenario. If there is no player/team control when the ball is at the disposal of the free-thrower when using the ROP procedure, wouldn't that mean that a timeout could not be granted? Only outcome ... violation.
No, the rule states that a team may be granted a time-out request made when the ball is at its disposal.
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Old Wed Jan 27, 2016, 03:43pm
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No - think it through.....this was the first of two merited free throws...
Has been a while since I read op. Didn't realize it was first of two.

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Are you saying/asking that we take the ball from Team A's free thrower (the TCF nullifies the pending FT) and give it to Team B for a spot throw-in?
Yes I was asking that. I forgot the original scenario and didn't realize it was the first of two.

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What rule are you using to take away A's free throws?
I was thinking that a team control foul causes the ball to become dead. How can the free throw take place if the ball is dead?



Can the free throw still be scored if a team control foul has already happened?
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It must have something to do with having two X chromosomes.
Really athletic girls have three of them.

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No, the rule states that a team may be granted a time-out request made when the ball is at its disposal.
I would agree with you, but as Bob and Adam point out, the way the rule is written, it doesn't say that the ball is at the disposal of the player on a free-throw.

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A team is in control of the ball:

d. When a player of the team has disposal of the ball for a throw-in.

And if that's the case, there's no team control either. If that premise is correct, how can a time-out be granted when using the ROP procedure for a free-throw? Good discussion for a different thread though, since that's a different topic.
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Old Wed Jan 27, 2016, 04:10pm
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I would agree with you, but as Bob and Adam point out, the way the rule is written, it doesn't say that the ball is at the disposal of the player on a free-throw.

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d. When a player of the team has disposal of the ball for a throw-in.

And if that's the case, there's no team control either. If that premise is correct, how can a time-out be granted when using the ROP procedure for a free-throw? Good discussion for a different thread though, since that's a different topic.
TC isn't an issue for granting a time-out.
It is never sufficient nor required (other than as a consequence of having met other requirements).

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a. the ball is at the disposal or in control of a player or his/her team.
b. the ball is dead, unless replacement of a disqualified....

Requirement A does not require TC to be in place. In fact, the lone exception here seems to be the case where the ball is at the disposal of a FT shooter.
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I would agree with you, but as Bob and Adam point out, the way the rule is written, it doesn't say that the ball is at the disposal of the player on a free-throw.
No. It says that disposal does not create TC (on a FT). There is still disposal.
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