Legitimate Play?

[Adam]

Here (US, NFHS rules), if you think a player is intentionally aiming the ball at someone's head, a flagrant foul (NCAA FF2) is in order and the player would be disqualified. In other words, he's lucky you let him continue playing.

I wouldn't have.

[TimTaylor]

Originally Posted by Adam

Here (US, NFHS rules), if you think a player is intentionally aiming the ball at someone's head, a flagrant foul (NCAA FF2) is in order and the player would be disqualified. In other words, he's lucky you let him continue playing.

I wouldn't have.

I agree. Had something like this happen about six years ago - JV boys game, player with an attitude didn't like it when my partner called a travel on him. When I asked him for the ball, he turned and threw it as hard as he could straight at my head from about 10 feet away. I managed to knock the ball away enough it didn't hit me in the face, then hit him with a flagrant T.

[Pantherdreams]

This is really a had to be there. Basically my rule of thumb would be if in the attempt to save the player has enough body control to pick a target, then if they target the head its a problem. If they are just trying to make a play and throw it hard and while off balance or off aim it hits them in the head I'll probably let it pass. Hard to determine intent but time/balance/control all come into play here for me.

On unrelated note I dislike the FIBA rule change to make the tech less punitive then the unsportsmanlike.

[Dad]

Originally Posted by Adam

Here (US, NFHS rules), if you think a player is intentionally aiming the ball at someone's head, a flagrant foul (NCAA FF2) is in order and the player would be disqualified. In other words, he's lucky you let him continue playing.

I wouldn't have.

Yup, this. I hope I'd do the same and not just give a T.

[Gaiteka]

Thanks for all of your insight into the issue. If any of you are wondering about after the call...

Team A asked why it was a technical, so I explained my call as such "It was a deliberately aimed shot at the head of an opponent, and that is not a legitimate sporting play". They continued to protest their point, so I walked over to my partner and the supervisor of the night came over to the court to stand with us. My partner had called another tech on a different Team A player for saying something, i am not sure what. The supervisor told the players that were still arguing, that they have asked their question, they got an answer, and they must return to their bench or they will be asked to leave. All but one did return to their bench, the supervisor then removed this player from the game and the building.

Thankyou for all your feedback, it was only my second technical as a referee and I was concerned that I did not handle it as I should have. However, you have all reassured me. I plan to stay on the forum for a while to come now , hope you all don't too annoyed with me

[VaTerp]

Originally Posted by Gaiteka

Thanks for all of your insight into the issue. If any of you are wondering about after the call...

Team A asked why it was a technical, so I explained my call as such "It was a deliberately aimed shot at the head of an opponent, and that is not a legitimate sporting play". They continued to protest their point, so I walked over to my partner and the supervisor of the night came over to the court to stand with us. My partner had called another tech on a different Team A player for saying something, i am not sure what. The supervisor told the players that were still arguing, that they have asked their question, they got an answer, and they must return to their bench or they will be asked to leave. All but one did return to their bench, the supervisor then removed this player from the game and the building.

Thankyou for all your feedback, it was only my second technical as a referee and I was concerned that I did not handle it as I should have. However, you have all reassured me. I plan to stay on the forum for a while to come now , hope you all don't too annoyed with me

Its really a had to be there situation but based on everything you've shared I agree with the call and like your explanation to the players.

I know recreation leagues (if that is indeed what Men's B Grade is) in Australia are likely different than here in the states but getting supervisor support like that is not always the case here. Especially in men's recreation leagues.

So its great to hear that you have a supervisor who supports his officials and takes care of business on the spot.

[Mark Padgett]

Originally Posted by Gaiteka

...it was only my second technical as a referee

So, you've only reffed a total of about 3 minutes?

[Gaiteka]

Originally Posted by Mark Padgett

So, you've only reffed a total of about 3 minutes?

I have just been lucky enough to have avoided the difficult games thus far. I started doing mostly junior games, from 8-18 years of age. And the most I have had to do so far in these games is give out warnings.

Also,
Could someone please tell me the ages of the type of games mentioned in other threads. I mean, what age are the players in varsity games etc. I apologize for not being familar with these, but I think it will help my understanding.

[crosscountry55]

Originally Posted by Gaiteka

Also,

Could someone please tell me the ages of the type of games mentioned in other threads. I mean, what age are the players in varsity games etc. I apologize for not being familar with these, but I think it will help my understanding.

In the U.S., varsity is the A team from a given school, ages 15-18. JV would be like a B team from same school, ages ~15-16. "Middle school" is ages ~11-14.


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[Welpe]

Originally Posted by Gaiteka

I have just been lucky enough to have avoided the difficult games thus far. I started doing mostly junior games, from 8-18 years of age. And the most I have had to do so far in these games is give out warnings.

Take posts from Padgett with a shaker full of salt. He's our resident smart-ass and TV trivia guru.

Welcome to the forum and officiating basketball by the way!

Had a game with four techs (none by me) a couple weeks ago. Kid who was on one had the ball and got pushed OOB. Partner calls the pushing foul, the kid reacts late and jumps and throws the ball at his opponent, hits opponent in head. 2nd tech, see ya. Replacement shot bonus FT's for initial push and then we shot the tech. Coach thought it was a legit basketball play but it's kinda hard to not see that as a tech when we've already had three others.