Act of Shooting...Foul...Horn...Release -- Score It?

[BigCat]

In this play the foul may have occurred at the .1 second mark. Defenders hand may have been on offense. Hard to tell. I didn't hear a horn either. (I didn't even hear the official's whistle at time of foul.). There is a case play which says all zeroes on clock does not mean time expired. Horn or light, the "period ending signal," determines it. That play says line the players up and shoot the free throw.

Having said that, I have seen clocks stopped at all zeroes without a horn sounding. We then think it will sound when clock started again. Clock started, no horn then either.

Freddy, if you were there I'm assuming you did hear a horn? If it did go off after the foul and before the ball was released then, as Johhny said originally , basket does not count and shoot 2 FTs with no one on lane. Player is in act of shooting but is not an airborne shooter. Ball is dead when horn sounds and ball is still in his hands.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by BigCat

There is a case play which says all zeroes on clock does not mean time expired. Horn or light, the "period ending signal," determines it ... I have seen clocks stopped at all zeroes without a horn sounding.

Back in the olden days, mechanical clocks, even if everything was working correctly, could be stopped with 0:00 on the scoreboard with no horn for a split second. In addition, occasionally the timekeeper would accidentally turn off a switch for an automatic horn, and the horn would never sound at the end of the period.

Do these problems still exist with modern digital clocks?

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by BigCat

Having said that, I have seen clocks stopped at all zeroes without a horn sounding. We then think it will sound when clock started again. Clock started, no horn then either.

If you get to all zeros with no horn, the first thing to do is to check to see if the "auto horn" is turned on.

Originally Posted by BillyMac

Do these problems still exist with modern digital clocks?

If the clock does not show tenths, sure.

If it shows tenths it's possible but unlikely.

[crosscountry55]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

If you get to all zeros with no horn, the first thing to do is to check to see if the "auto horn" is turned on.



If the clock does not show tenths, sure.

If it shows tenths it's possible but unlikely.

But it can happen. I had 0.0 with no horn once, and checked with the timer, and sure enough the console readout said 0.07. So the moral of the story is, before you make a decision, go to the timer and ask if he/she has a more precise readout, as well as to confirm whether the "auto horn" is turned on.

Originally Posted by crosscountry55

the console readout said 0.07

What kind of atomic basketball clock is this??

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by AremRed

What kind of atomic basketball clock is this??

Last week, I had a scoreboard that had a spot for hundredths of a second. That spot always showed a zero, but it caught my attention..

[Freddy]

Oddity three years ago . . . according to my rusty memory:
Scoreboard minutes and seconds worked great but the tenths of seconds, we were told by the AD prior to the game, didn't work. Wouldn't you know it. Whistle near end of a period stopped the clock at 0:0 but the horn didn't go off. Home coach, desiring to set up a play during a timeout, asked if we could go to the scoreboard operator's console at the table to identify if there was .3 seconds or fewer left on the clock. (At least he knew the rule!) As I recall the console display showed .2, so we knew the next play had to be a tip.
Looked it up later where 5-2-5 says "...three-tenths (.3) of a second or less remains on the clock...". Doesn't say which display, so as long as both coaches and all the officials knew the situation, we justified our actions in that case.
One in a million circumstance, I guess.

[crosscountry55]

Originally Posted by AremRed

What kind of atomic basketball clock is this??

I've seen it more than once on the console itself (never the board, though). Not often, but it seems there are one or two scoreboard companies who have this console feature. Just worth being aware of if you ever experience 0.0 with no horn.


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[frezer11]

I think this scenario would be a great time to NOT have that patient whistle we all strive for. That said, say an official for whatever reason is less aware of the clock than usual, and sees contact (let's say with 0.5 on the clock), is patient to try to determine the effect of that contact, and the horn goes off. The contact clearly affects the shot attempt, and needs to be called. In this situation I don't believe it would be possible to put time back on the clock, nor could you count the bucket if release was after the buzzer.

[Freddy]

Originally Posted by BigCat

Freddy, if you were there I'm assuming you did hear a horn? If it did go off after the foul and before the ball was released then, as Johhny said originally , basket does not count and shoot 2 FTs with no one on lane. Player is in act of shooting but is not an airborne shooter. Ball is dead when horn sounds and ball is still in his hands.

No, I wasn't there . . . just crunching video for other association members.
I concur with your findings and observations.
The original video has the horn simultaneous with the clock at 0.0.