Timeout!!

[JeffM]

SITUATION: A1 has control of the ball. B1 places hands on the ball and they begin to struggle to get the ball with neither player having an advantage. Coach A requests a timeout before the official calls a jump ball. Should the official grant the timeout of call a jump ball?

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by JeffM

SITUATION: A1 has control of the ball. B1 places hands on the ball and they begin to struggle to get the ball with neither player having an advantage. Coach A requests a timeout before the official calls a jump ball. Should the official grant the timeout of call a jump ball?

I work with a lot of guys who pre-game to be patience about granting time-outs in those situations.

[Sharpshooternes]

Originally Posted by JeffM

SITUATION: A1 has control of the ball. B1 places hands on the ball and they begin to struggle to get the ball with neither player having an advantage. Coach A requests a timeout before the official calls a jump ball. Should the official grant the timeout of call a jump ball?

My rule of thumb is if their player has initial possession and the call a timeout within a fraction of a second of the opposing player also obtaining posession, I will le the coach burn a time out. It could potentially save some rough play. It has to be very clear that the first player had sole player control. Otherwise I let them continue until a held ball is warranted. Maybe others have a better discription, ruling or understanding of this rule.

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by Sharpshooternes

It has to be very clear that the first player had sole player control.

Is there such a thing as not "sole" player control? Is "sole" player control required to grant a TO?

If the conditions for a held ball were met first, call that. If the conditions for a TO were met first, call that.

[bainsey]

Here's an actual play I had last year, to illustrate. I'm the T, tableside.

*A-1 releases a pass to A-2 in the BC. While the ball is in flight, HC A requests a time-out. Nothing granted.

*A-2 catches the ball at the division line and makes a long pass to A-3. While the ball is in flight, HC A requests another time-out. Nothing granted.

*A-3 catches the ball near the end line, right corner. HC A says, "Now I want..." and a shot is released.... "a time out."

*Swish for three.

I'm the new L. HC A and I make eye contact, and exchange a smile and headshake. My reply, "I didn't think you wanted one."

[Dad]

Originally Posted by bainsey

Here's an actual play I had last year, to illustrate. I'm the T, tableside.

*A-1 releases a pass to A-2 in the BC. While the ball is in flight, HC A requests a time-out. Nothing granted.

*A-2 catches the ball at the division line and makes a long pass to A-3. While the ball is in flight, HC A requests another time-out. Nothing granted.

*A-3 catches the ball near the end line, right corner. HC A says, "Now I want..." and a shot is released.... "a time out."

*Swish for three.

I'm the new L. HC A and I make eye contact, and exchange a smile and headshake. My reply, "I didn't think you wanted one."

Why wasn't the timeout granted when A2 caught the ball?

[bainsey]

Originally Posted by dad

why wasn't the timeout granted when a2 caught the ball?

See NFHS 5.8.3D.

[Dad]

Originally Posted by bainsey

See NFHS 5.8.3D.

Caught

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by bainsey

See NFHS 5.8.3D.

5.8.3 SITUATION D: A1 or A2 requests a time-out: (a) while airborne A1 is
holding the ball; (b) while A1’s throw-in is in flight toward A2; or (c) when the ball
is on the floor at A1’s disposal for a throw-in. RULING: The request is granted in
(a) and (c), but denied in (b), as there is no player control while the ball is loose
between players.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by bainsey

A-2 catches the ball at the division line and makes a long pass to A-3. While the ball is in flight, HC A requests another time-out. Nothing granted.

Originally Posted by Dad

Why wasn't the timeout granted when A2 caught the ball?

Because the request wasn't made when A2 caught the ball, it was made while the ball was in flight, which was denied (not granted) by the official. The request of timeout that's denied doesn't carryover over until the next opportunity to grant such a request. It takes a new request, when A2 catches the ball, which can then be granted by the official.

[Dad]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

Because the request wasn't made when A2 caught the ball, it was made while the ball was in flight, which was denied (not granted) by the official. The request of timeout that's denied doesn't carryover over until the next opportunity to grant such a request. It takes a new request, when A2 catches the ball, which can then be granted by the official.

"If he makes this shot I'd like a TO ref." I'm not telling him to ask me again after a made shot.

I do like your explanation, kind of... my issue is the coach was asking multiple times. My question was to Bainsey's post and not the OP. I wanted a clear answer why he didn't give a TO when A2 had the ball and all I got was a rule that didn't tell me anything about what happened. I can see a coach asking for a TO on an interrupted dribble situation where he's praying an official kicks the rule to stop a potential steal. Yeah, of course I'm not even paying attention to the request. On the other hand, if A1 and A2 are by themselves in the BC and the coach says he'd like a TO but it's during a pass then I'm waiting for A2 to catch the ball and giving it to him.

If the coach keeps asking for a TO I'm not going to ignore him because it was a split second before a player caught the ball.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by JeffM

SITUATION: A1 has control of the ball. B1 places hands on the ball and they begin to struggle to get the ball with neither player having an advantage. Coach A requests a timeout before the official calls a jump ball. Should the official grant the timeout of call a jump ball?

Coach's request came after the ball was tied up.

Call the held ball and ask the coach if he still wants his TO.

[The_Rookie]

Originally Posted by JeffM

SITUATION: A1 has control of the ball. B1 places hands on the ball and they begin to struggle to get the ball with neither player having an advantage. Coach A requests a timeout before the official calls Held Ball. Should the official grant the timeout?

To be clear: If the timeout is called before a Held Ball is called. Grant the TO?
If the Held Ball is Ruled first then check with coach to see if they still want TO?

[bob jenkins]

If you wait 2.5 years to cal the held ball, it is too late

[thumpferee]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

If you wait 2.5 years to cal the held ball, it is too late

GR8