New Wisconsin Rule

[SCalScoreKeeper]

Why was this even sent to the Student-Athletes? The WIAA changes are way over the top.As long as nothing said is personal or derogatory why do we care? The suspension is warranted in my mind for the language used in the tweet.If she wanted to say the WIAA changes are stupid/ridiculous that's fine but she's gotta learn profane tweets have consequences.

[JMUplayer]

Back in the day when opposing cheerleaders took the floor we'd chant
1,2,3,4 get the cattle off the floor and start mooing at them....

Good clean harmless fun......

[Adam]

Originally Posted by JMUplayer

Back in the day when opposing cheerleaders took the floor we'd chant
1,2,3,4 get the cattle off the floor and start mooing at them....

Good clean harmless fun......

You honestly think that was harmless?

[Altor]

Originally Posted by Adam

You honestly think that was harmless?

I have the same reaction to things like "sieve" or "A rope, a tree, ..." It's directed to a specific person and is intended to be demeaning (or even a threat). It has no place in high school sports.

"Start the bus up.", "Scoreboard", "C'mon stupid, hit the wall" - those don't bother me in nearly the same way. Although the last one does call a specific player stupid, so I may have to rethink that one.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by Altor

I have the same reaction to things like "sieve" or "A rope, a tree, ..." It's directed to a specific person and is intended to be demeaning (or even a threat). It has no place in high school sports.

"Start the bus up.", "Scoreboard", "C'mon stupid, hit the wall" - those don't bother me in nearly the same way. Although the last one does call a specific player stupid, so I may have to rethink that one.

Some of that stuff is fine for heckling adult baseball players ("sieve" in particular). I really don't have much of a problem with "sieve", it's at least performance related.

The cheerleader heckling, though, bothers me as a parent (teenage daughter)more than anything.

I remember one of the guys on my high school basketball team "moo'd" at the cheerleaders (at a pep rally no less) and the whole team got to run extra in the next practice.

[SD Referee]

Originally Posted by Altor

I have the same reaction to things like "sieve" or "A rope, a tree, ..." It's directed to a specific person and is intended to be demeaning (or even a threat). It has no place in high school sports.

"Start the bus up.", "Scoreboard", "C'mon stupid, hit the wall" - those don't bother me in nearly the same way. Although the last one does call a specific player stupid, so I may have to rethink that one.

So you have a problem with a group of kids calling a goalie a "sieve"? When you are letting a lot of goals get past you, you are indeed a "sieve".

I don't know where some of you soft wimps come from, but it seems like your kind is taking over the world. We can't say anything that even one person might interpret as demeaning. You pick on a kid for one second and you are a bully guilty of bullying. There are already plenty of leagues/sports for youth that don't keep score because Little Johnny or Little Sally might get beat and have their ego ruined for life.

People in this world need to relax, grow a thicker skin, and learn to ignore other people. I'm so tired of the "offended" crowd screaming to get their way.

[Altor]

Believe me when I say that I've never been part of the "offended" crowd. I'd never suggest to turn off the scoreboard.

Calling an NHL goalkeeper a sieve is one thing. Saying that to a 14-year-old in a high school setting is simply not appropriate. The NFHS and every one of its member organizations tell us to teach/preach sportsmanship to our youth. This is not good sportsmanship.

[JRutledge]

Kids are going to sometimes cross the line. That is what adults are for. That is what teachers and administrators are for. And if you think kids will not call a big girl in their mind names from the cheerleading squad, we are even more naive. I agree it is not appropriate, but this outrage is funny. Kids when I was coming up said a lot worse and then some. But we knew that if we said those things out loud we would likely get in trouble.

All I hope is that we do not have to police this when half of the things said we will not really be paying attention to or understand. There are jokes between schools that it takes awhile for someone not at those schools to understand. Let the AD and Principal deal with this stuff. Keep us out of it please.

Peace

[SD Referee]

Originally Posted by Altor

Believe me when I say that I've never been part of the "offended" crowd. I'd never suggest to turn off the scoreboard.

Calling an NHL goalkeeper a sieve is one thing. Saying that to a 14-year-old in a high school setting is simply not appropriate. The NFHS and every one of its member organizations tell us to teach/preach sportsmanship to our youth. This is not good sportsmanship.

Kids do that stuff to each other in life, in athletics, in study hall. I honestly don't think this stuff bothers 99% of kids. It's the 1% and the wimpy parents that get all bent out of shape about it.

If we are going to teach sportsmanship and make it a priority, lets start at the college and pro level. Tons of trash talking and rubbing it in the face of your opponent. I don't mind at all, but if we are worried about ridding sports of that stuff, let's start there. Kids see it on TV and think that is the way to go about it.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by SD Referee

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I don't know where some of you soft wimps come from, but it seems like your kind is taking over the world. We can't say anything that even one person might interpret as demeaning. You pick on a kid for one second and you are a bully guilty of bullying. There are already plenty of leagues/sports for youth that don't keep score because Little Johnny or Little Sally might get beat and have their ego ruined for life.
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My youngest played in one of those leagues (Upward). He has Asperger's and is not mentally focused enough to participate in competitive sports.

I guess the existence of my son and that league offends an accomplished athlete and official such as yourself.

[SD Referee]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

My youngest played in one of those leagues (Upward). He has Asperger's and is not mentally focused enough to participate in competitive sports.

I guess the existence of my son and that league offends an accomplished athlete and official such as yourself.

Did I say that I was offended or that leagues that cater to individuals like your son shouldn't exist? Oh, I didn't? Glad we got that straightened out.

I was speaking in general about sports leagues, leagues that don't cater to individuals like your son, that don't keep score because they don't want winners and losers. Life has winners and losers and I believe in teaching that right away.

Upward is fine for you and your son and it has its place. I just don't agree with telling our children that everybody wins and that everybody is equal in a regular sports league.

[Rich]

Originally Posted by SD Referee

So you have a problem with a group of kids calling a goalie a "sieve"? When you are letting a lot of goals get past you, you are indeed a "sieve".

I don't know where some of you soft wimps come from, but it seems like your kind is taking over the world. We can't say anything that even one person might interpret as demeaning. You pick on a kid for one second and you are a bully guilty of bullying. There are already plenty of leagues/sports for youth that don't keep score because Little Johnny or Little Sally might get beat and have their ego ruined for life.

People in this world need to relax, grow a thicker skin, and learn to ignore other people. I'm so tired of the "offended" crowd screaming to get their way.

I know one thing -- it's much easier to put people in certain "buckets" based on responses to threads like these.

[Rich]

Originally Posted by JMUplayer

Back in the day when opposing cheerleaders took the floor we'd chant

1,2,3,4 get the cattle off the floor and start mooing at them....



Good clean harmless fun......

That's disgusting.

[SCalScoreKeeper]

Originally Posted by JMUplayer

Back in the day when opposing cheerleaders took the floor we'd chant
1,2,3,4 get the cattle off the floor and start mooing at them....

Good clean harmless fun......

absolutely not-At my school we would put a stop to that-home or away.

[Welpe]

Originally Posted by JMUplayer

Back in the day when opposing cheerleaders took the floor we'd chant
1,2,3,4 get the cattle off the floor and start mooing at them....

Good clean harmless fun......

Good grief. Even as a a-hole teenager I didn't chant crap like that.