Tossed my first coach today

[BrentD2222]

I gave both T's and booted him. He claimed to be a certified ref. For what he said I told him "he should have known better then".


At first I felt nervous if I made the correct actions. Then my partner 100% supported me and the league assignor supported me. Felt good to do my job correctly and not be questioned because I was new. I've received a ton of positive feed back from coaches, partners, and assignors all around. My partner said "that coach knew you where new and tried to intimidate you or get tossed. You obliged him on part of that".

[Nevadaref]

1. Coaches who have reffed for a bit can be difficult to handle. I've found several to be some of the worst towards newer or inexperienced officials. You would think that they would be more understanding. Sad.

2. What specifically happened? Why didn't your partner get the second technical foul, if he was "supporting you?"

[BrentD2222]

In the situation I can understand why I ended up having to call both. My partner had to warn the scorers table of possible ejection if she kept up her complaining as well.

After hearing out the coach for a moment of angrily complain about everything for the first 9 minutes of the game I gave him the stop sign and said "enough coach, we are done here". He snapped back with "NO we are not done here" In an intimidating fashion that really caught me off guard I banged him 1 T. My partner had to explain to him he had to sit down for the remainder of the game. He argued that fact, saying he was an official etc.

About 4 or 5 plays later I called a blocking foul in favor of his team which was resulting in a 1-1 only because the play happened on the floor/before the shot. A shot wasn't even attempted. I approached the scorers table to report and he starts in on me asking for "continuation" and yelling to get his sub in the game. I said "coach I will report the foul and then beckon the sub in when appropriate". He started barking toward me about how he was certified he knows this stuff. I beckon the subs and turn to jog to my position and coach says "ya I saw the last game, pfff, you guys are horrible". I turned and banged him the 2nd one.

My partner came right up and asked "what did he just say"? I told him and he agreed. Saying "that coach was trying to get tossed... you obliged him".

Lobby for calls all day I couldn't care. Make it personal and try to get "tough guy" on me and I'll bang a T real quick. Funny part was it was my first & second T's of my whole season. I didn't even have to ponder the idea until this game.

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by BrentD2222

In the situation I can understand why I ended up having to call both. My partner had to warn the scorers table of possible ejection if she kept up her complaining as well.

After hearing out the coach for a moment of angrily complain about everything for the first 9 minutes of the game I gave him the stop sign and said "enough coach, we are done here". He snapped back with "NO we are not done here" In an intimidating fashion that really caught me off guard I banged him 1 T. My partner had to explain to him he had to sit down for the remainder of the game. He argued that fact, saying he was an official etc.

About 4 or 5 plays later I called a blocking foul in favor of his team which was resulting in a 1-1 only because the play happened on the floor/before the shot. A shot wasn't even attempted. I approached the scorers table to report and he starts in on me asking for "continuation" and yelling to get his sub in the game. I said "coach I will report the foul and then beckon the sub in when appropriate". He started barking toward me about how he was certified he knows this stuff. I beckon the subs and turn to jog to my position and coach says "ya I saw the last game, pfff, you guys are horrible". I turned and banged him the 2nd one.

My partner came right up and asked "what did he just say"? I told him and he agreed. Saying "that coach was trying to get tossed... you obliged him".

Lobby for calls all day I couldn't care. Make it personal and try to get "tough guy" on me and I'll bang a T real quick. Funny part was it was my first & second T's of my whole season. I didn't even have to ponder the idea until this game.

The guy was a jerk and needed to leave. Don't worry about anything that you did. Keep officiating with poise and confidence.

In the future, try to use fewer words when speaking to a coach. For example, "That's enough" will do. Don't bother adding the rest.

Why would your partner ask what the coach said during the game? That's absurd. What would have happened if he didn't agree with you? Would he try to cancel the T? Hopefully, your partner was not very experienced either.

I never ask a partner what someone said or did when my partner issues a technical foul until halftime or after the contest. I really don't care. My partner assessed a technical foul and that's all that matters to me. My job is to help enforce the penalty and get on with the contest.

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

Why would your partner ask what the coach said during the game? That's absurd. What would have happened if he didn't agree with you? Would he try to cancel the T? Hopefully, your partner was not very experienced either.

I never ask a partner what someone said or did when my partner issues a technical foul until halftime or after the contest. I really don't care. My partner assessed a technical foul and that's all that matters to me. My job is to help enforce the penalty and get on with the contest.

I don't see that as a problem. Maybe he just wanted to know.

It is not uncommon to let your partners know what happened to earn a T as part of the typical discussion about what is going to happen next.

[BrentD2222]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

The guy was a jerk and needed to leave. Don't worry about anything that you did. Keep officiating with poise and confidence.

In the future, try to use fewer words when speaking to a coach. For example, "That's enough" will do. Don't bother adding the rest.

Why would your partner ask what the coach said during the game? That's absurd. What would have happened if he didn't agree with you? Would he try to cancel the T? Hopefully, your partner was not very experienced either.

I never ask a partner what someone said or did when my partner issues a technical foul until halftime or after the contest. I really don't care. My partner assessed a technical foul and that's all that matters to me. My job is to help enforce the penalty and get on with the contest.

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

I don't see that as a problem. Maybe he just wanted to know.

It is not uncommon to let your partners know what happened to earn a T as part of the typical discussion about what is going to happen next.

It was in a manner of support... it was more like WTF that ******* just say?

[OrStBballRef]

I do kind of find it funny that after you whacked him and your partner informed him of the seatbelt that he protested that fact. Kind of calls into question how 'experienced' of a ref he actually was if he doesn't even know that rule....

In the past on a few occasions of doing rec ball when I've been in this type of situation I'll usually ask the former 'ref', after they yell for over the back/reach in, what the signal for that is. Usually they give me the 'cobra hood' or whatever and then I know full well they haven't been a ref.

[so cal lurker]

Originally Posted by OrStBballRef

In the past on a few occasions of doing rec ball when I've been in this type of situation I'll usually ask the former 'ref', after they yell for over the back/reach in, what the signal for that is. Usually they give me the 'cobra hood' or whatever and then I know full well they haven't been a ref.

I've seen many refs use that signal . . .

[OrStBballRef]

Originally Posted by so cal lurker

I've seen many refs use that signal . . .

Sadly so have I.../facepalm

But if a coach/former ref is howling that much and doesn't understand the seatbelt rule likely they have used the infamous 'over the back' with cobra hood as well...

Of course this former 'ref' probably considers his ref experience to be calling his lil kid weekend games back when they were 1st or 2nd grade...

[crosscountry55]

Anyone ever notice the shocking number of former officials that now coach? Seriously, it's incredible.

Listen, if you need to advertise to me that you're a former official, it tells me that you're trying to be someone you're not. Especially when you use words like "certified." As a coach, the quickest way for me to dismiss you is for you to present your officiating résumé to me.

I knew a coach/AD once who only revealed to me that he was a former D1 official when I was about to move. I believed him. Not because he told me, but because his professionalism, knowledge and demeanor those two years gave me no reason to doubt him.

He didn't need to advertise it. I respected that a lot.

[ODog]

Originally Posted by crosscountry55

As a coach, the quickest way for me to dismiss you is for you to present your officiating résumé to me.

+1

You might ref games, sir, but you are definitely not a ref.

[BlueDevilRef]

In general if a coach or sometimes a wreck league player says "I'm a ref" I say........wait for it......"not tonight you ain't"


I wish I had a cool signature

[Amesman]

If you ever get a loudmouth coach saying something like, "I'm a former official," there's only one answer: "I can see why."