Which Side of the Lane Line?

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by Adam

I just don't see a problem with moving. The mechanic of standing in the throwin location isn't designed to solidify the location.

How many times does an assistant coach poke his head out of the huddle and ask, "Where's the throwin?", and we simply point to the official standing at the location with the ball? They wouldn't ask if it didn't make any difference to them as they set up their press, or their press break. (I coached middle school basketball for over twenty-five years so the location does make a difference to a coach, some players follow directions very literally) Changing the location of the throwin a few seconds before the end of the timeout could (possibly) create a disadvantage for the defensive team, and an advantage for the offensive team, advantages and disadvantages not intended by the rules.

Defensive Coach: "Hey Mr. Adam. We set up our press for the other side of the lane. Why did you change the spot from where your partner was standing with the ball, especially after my assistant coach asked about the location? Now I've got to burn another timeout to set up my press on the other side. Timeout please?" (This is the G-rated version that doesn't end with a few choice words and a technical foul).

And then, to make matters worse, at the very end of the second timeout the offensive coach requests to switch the side of the throwin a second time.

This is exactly why it would be nice to get some guidance from the NFHS regarding this matter.

[Adam]

"coach, it's an endline throw-in, they can throw in from anywhere along the end line"

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by Adam

"Coach, it's an endline throw-in, they can throw in from anywhere along the end line"

Yes they can.

Originally Posted by BillyMac

Is A Throwin The Same As A Throwin Spot ???

Or, better yet, is a throwin the same as a throwin starting location?

4-42-3: The throw-in ... begin(s) when the ball is at the disposal of a player of the team entitled to it.

The throwin doesn't start before the ball is at the disposal of a player of the team entitled to it.

There's something that occurs immediately before a throwin.

I'm not sure what it is, but where the official stands with the ball before putting the ball at the disposal of the inbounder definitely isn't part of the throwin.

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by Adam

If it doesn't matter, then how is this thread now nearly 100 posts strong?

I can think of two reasons.

[jpgc99]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

I can think of two reasons.

This made me laugh. But for some reason it was somewhat entertaining. Maybe I'm just bored.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by jpgc99

This made me laugh. But for some reason it was somewhat entertaining. Maybe I'm just bored.

Anything, entertaining, or not, that makes us stick our nose into a rulebook, or a mechanics manual, is worth the effort. We can't save the NFHS from imploding on itself but we can sure try.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

Wait? You just implied that you would move if the request was made very clear to you? The definition of unless is except on the condition that, or except under the circumstances that.

Asking right before we are going to put the ball in play in not enough. And again, I do not have to.

Peace

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

Asking right before we are going to put the ball in play in not enough. And again, I do not have to.

Peace

I agree...my requests all came at the beginning of the time-out.

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[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

Asking right before we are going to put the ball in play in not enough.

Agree.

Originally Posted by BillyMac

Changing the location of the throwin a few seconds before the end of the timeout could (possibly) create a disadvantage for the defensive team, and an advantage for the offensive team, advantages and disadvantages not intended by the rules.

[BigCat]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

Yes they can.



Or, better yet, is a throwin the same as a throwin starting location?

4-42-3: The throw-in ... begin(s) when the ball is at the disposal of a player of the team entitled to it.

The throwin doesn't start before the ball is at the disposal of a player of the team entitled to it.

There's something that occurs immediately before a throwin.

I'm not sure what it is, but where the official stands with the ball before putting the ball at the disposal of the inbounder definitely isn't part of the throwin.

See 6.5f. It is our job to decide where to hand ball to thrower "AFTER which" he can make throwin anywhere along endline. The team doesn't gets to decide where the throw in starts. I don't really care and will move if asked, but, as others have said, i likely won't if they wait until they are coming out of the huddle to ask. It has been requested before and when it is important enough they always ask early. Sorry to prolong this thread.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by BigCat

See 6.5f. It is our job to decide where to hand ball to thrower "AFTER which" he can make throwin anywhere along endline. The team doesn't gets to decide where the throw in starts.

6.5 SITUATION F: What is the procedure for putting the ball in play after a score followed immediately by a timeout: The official shall hand, or bounce (as applicable by NFHS Officials Manual), the ball to a player of the team entitled to the throwin, after which the throwin may be made anywhere along the endline (7-5-7; 8-5)

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

I agree...my requests all came at the beginning of the time-out.

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As I said, I only had once in my career a request after a ball was made on a FT. I honestly did not understand the request and would have been really confusing to my crew if I all of a sudden switched sides of the lane. And the coach and player never made it clear what they wanted to do. They ask the question as if I was preventing them from running to the other side of the lane, which I was not.

If the requests are made before the timeout is started, I might consider such movement, but not when we are already ready to go.

Again, I am still waiting for that request that I have to be concerned with in the first place. I just do not see this ever become an issue either way. My situation happen over 15 years ago. I have worked a lot of games since then, if this was a problem or an issue, I would think someone else would make such a request, but they haven't.

Peace

[MechanicGuy]

Apologies if this post is rehashing something already covered, but this issue came in an area meeting earlier this season, was passed up the chain, and the following came back from, I believe, a state interpreter (Colorado).

5. After a score by Team A, a timeout is granted to Team B. After the timeout the coach of Team B requests the ball be placed at the disposal of the thrower at the free throw lane line extended different from the lane line extended where the official is ready to put the ball in play. Can the request be granted? The official may grant this request as it would be permitted because Team B has the privilege of moving along or passing the ball out of bounds along the endline. (Rule 7-5-7)