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Old Wed Dec 30, 2015, 12:10pm
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Which Side of the Lane Line?

Free throw is good to tie the game with five seconds to go. Time out request granted.
I, as the new trail, grab the ball and stand off the far lane line in OOB area to await the ensuing throw-in administration. No particular reason I went there instead of the near side. I just went to that side.
Teams come out and the thrower-inner says to me, "My coach drew up a play that has me doing a throw-in from the other side over there. Can we do this over there instead?"
What do I say?
A) No, I've been standing here the entire timeout. You're doing this throw-in from here.
...or...
B) It really doesn't matter, you can run the endline anyway. So here's where it's gonna be starting from right here.
...or...
C) Sure, it doesn't matter to me. Let's go over to the other side right now.
...or...
D) Other???
Anything by rule or by officials manual citation I should know?
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Old Wed Dec 30, 2015, 12:12pm
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I always allow them to start where they wish. In 2-man I would have no problem bouncing the ball across the paint. In 3-man, I will move to the side from which they wish to start the play.
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Old Wed Dec 30, 2015, 10:44pm
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I always allow them to start where they wish. In 2-man I would have no problem bouncing the ball across the paint. In 3-man, I will move to the side from which they wish to start the play.
My opinion, this is confusing to partners and looks lazy. Plus it puts the basket in my direct line of sight. If something happens at the spot, I want to be looking outside in not across the lane.
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Old Thu Dec 31, 2015, 09:12am
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I always allow them to start where they wish. In 2-man I would have no problem bouncing the ball across the paint. In 3-man, I will move to the side from which they wish to start the play.
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My opinion, this is confusing to partners and looks lazy. Plus it puts the basket in my direct line of sight. If something happens at the spot, I want to be looking outside in not across the lane.
I have no idea what you are trying to convey. And what looks lazy and confuses partners? What would look lazy to me is telling A1 he has to start where you tell him just to save the C and new Lead walking a few steps to swap positions.
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Old Sat Jan 02, 2016, 12:03am
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I have no idea what you are trying to convey. And what looks lazy and confuses partners? What would look lazy to me is telling A1 he has to start where you tell him just to save the C and new Lead walking a few steps to swap positions.
My comment was only related to bouncing the ball across the lane. Slightly different scenario, but it illustrates the point of bouncing the ball across the lane and why it can be confusing.

In 2 Man, if I am the T and see the ball go OOB on T side of the court, I am going to make the assumption that my partner is going to walk across the lane and take the ball out where it went OOB. When I turn up the court to become new lead and rotate from one side to another, I don't want to see my partner on the same side. For me its consistency, if we always "take it out" where it went out, then its a lot easier for the new L to get into the right position.
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Old Sat Jan 02, 2016, 06:34am
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My comment was only related to bouncing the ball across the lane. Slightly different scenario, but it illustrates the point of bouncing the ball across the lane and why it can be confusing.

In 2 Man, if I am the T and see the ball go OOB on T side of the court, I am going to make the assumption that my partner is going to walk across the lane and take the ball out where it went OOB. When I turn up the court to become new lead and rotate from one side to another, I don't want to see my partner on the same side. For me its consistency, if we always "take it out" where it went out, then its a lot easier for the new L to get into the right position.
The ball didn't go OOB; its a made basket followed by time out. You are bringing up a situation that has nothing to do with the subject being discussed.

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Old Thu Dec 31, 2015, 11:38am
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My opinion, this is confusing to partners and looks lazy. Plus it puts the basket in my direct line of sight. If something happens at the spot, I want to be looking outside in not across the lane.
How would you handle a throw-in to half court, opposite the table, followed by a quick shot...?
Can the average 64 year old veteran get there in time to get that last shot or do you have the C table side get the last shot?
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Old Thu Dec 31, 2015, 11:48am
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How would you handle a throw-in to half court, opposite the table, followed by a quick shot...?
Can the average 64 year old veteran get there in time to get that last shot or do you have the C table side get the last shot?
If I'm opposite trail, I still have the last shot even if I'm at the end line. I don't have to be on top of the shooter to see if he's released the ball before the horn. I can see the sun and it's 93 million miles away.
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Old Thu Dec 31, 2015, 11:57am
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If I'm opposite trail, I still have the last shot even if I'm at the end line. I don't have to be on top of the shooter to see if he's released the ball before the horn. I can see the sun and it's 93 million miles away.
Depending on the earth's orbit, you could be off by a million miles or so and therefore miss the release of that shot.
Sorry coach, I tried to hold my whistle on that one...
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Old Thu Dec 31, 2015, 12:03pm
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I can't believe there is this much discussion on this topic. If the player wants the ball on the other side of the basket, move over there and administer the throw. C & T need to adjust to your new positioning.

I always move if the player asks and only once had a partner complain that I made him "long switch." Moving up to become the C in this situation isn't a long switch, and if your legs can't get you to the proper position you've got more problems than this.
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Old Thu Dec 31, 2015, 12:42pm
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If I'm opposite trail, I still have the last shot even if I'm at the end line. I don't have to be on top of the shooter to see if he's released the ball before the horn. I can see the sun and it's 93 million miles away.
Sure, but are all players as bright as the sun?
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Old Thu Dec 31, 2015, 12:23pm
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How would you handle a throw-in to half court, opposite the table, followed by a quick shot...?
Can the average 64 year old veteran get there in time to get that last shot or do you have the C table side get the last shot?
We can shift from the standard "opposite" to "C tableside" in this situation IF all officials communicate during the stoppage.

But, all officials should have an opinion anyway. Nothing (almost) that happens away from the ball will matter as much as the shot.
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Old Wed Dec 30, 2015, 12:14pm
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Anything by rule or by officials manual citation I should know?
No.

the general consensus is to move.
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Old Wed Dec 30, 2015, 12:30pm
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Interesting scenario. While attending a college officials camp recently, this event came up. The observer discussed with the officials, "what are you officials talking about during the dead ball?" The point was raised about where do you want the ball inbounding? The observer shared he preferred to take the ball out table side; to allow the other official across the court the ability to have both benches in their line of site, in case a coach wants to call a time out. He commented the official inbounding the ball is focused on the thrower and not the benches. Based on your OP: answer (D)

NFHS Rule 2.3 may come into play on this.
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Old Wed Dec 30, 2015, 12:46pm
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I am putting ball in table side. If he wants to move to the other side, he can once I give him the ball.
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