Which Side of the Lane Line?

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

I have never said we do not use NF Mechanics, but keep telling that story.

Sorry. For some reason I thought that your association didn't follow NFHS mechanics 100%. Maybe hybrid?

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

I bet no one even thinks about this.

And you would certainly lose that bet. I thought about it, and many who posted on this forty-plus post thread thought about it.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

And you would certainly lose that bet. I thought about it, and many who posted on this thread thought about it.

So the NF Committee has had to address this issue? You are not on the committee.

And other than the discussion I had when this request was made to me personally, I have never talked about this since with officials I actually work with or train in any camp.

Peace

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

So the NF Committee has had to address this issue?

What's more important? Headband extensions, or how to handle the request detailed in this thread? The NFHS committee has dealt with such minutia in the past, why should it stop now? Eventually, we'll have a rulebook with a thousand pages, and a casebook with a thousand caseplays. That will kill a lot of trees.

[Rich]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

It is an extremely rare request. Most officials probably never get this request and when they do, it is confusing. I will say this again, I have only been asked for this request once and it was so confusing the coach got mad and had to be T'd. Then when he complained to the assignor, the assignor laughed it off. And as a clinician with my state, this is never discussed because I doubt anyone gets this request.

Peace

I've gotten it twice in the last year and a half. BNR got it twice at the college level. We're somebodies, I'd think. I may be not as much of a somebody as he is, however.

Frankly, I respect the coach that does this. He understands the rule and asks a reasonable question/request from the crew. I'd accept the request and notify the other bench. Big whoop.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

What's more important? Headband extensions, or how to handle the request detailed in this thread?

Well considering I see more different types of headbands in a week than I have ever had a request like people keep suggesting takes place, I would think the issues with uniforms likely need to be addressed more, if there is a rule in place. There is no such rule with where we give the ball and it obviously is not a problem across the country. And the NCAA addresses many more variations and situations and I have never had this ever addressed by them either way. So it appears that at the end of the day, it is left up to us to do what we want. Until we have other direction, I will not likely move and I am not bouncing the ball across the lane. If others choose to do different, that is no sweat off my back for sure.

Originally Posted by BillyMac

The NFHS committee has dealt with such minutia in the past, why should it stop now? Eventually, we'll have a rulebook with a thousand pages, and a casebook with a thousand caseplays. That will kill a lot of trees.

As I said before, the NF does not nearly address as many situations as the NCAA. There are no weekly bulletins in the NF telling us what to do or what not to do. But once again, we do not work for the NF, we work for our states and some of you your LOA.

Peace

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by Rich

I've gotten it twice in the last year and a half. BNR got it twice at the college level. We're somebodies, I'd think. I may be not as much of a somebody as he is, however.

And that is great, but those are anecdotal situations, just like my case. And since I have never heard anyone having this as an issue or even discuss in a pre-game, I take it that at the end it is very rare if ever requested. Coaches ask all the time where the ball is located, but cannot think of any time they want the ball specifically at one side of the lane or not. And this includes the numerous summer games, tournament games, AAU or any other kind of game that this request could be easily made.

Originally Posted by Rich

Frankly, I respect the coach that does this. He understands the rule and asks a reasonable question/request from the crew. I'd accept the request and notify the other bench. Big whoop.

Well that is great, but I do not ever see these requests. There is nothing to deny when you never see a single request of this nature.

I also do not care if you move all the officials. I might be confused at first if I am not the official bringing in the ball, but there are so many bigger things to be upset by.

Peace

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

Well considering I see more different types of headbands in a week ...

How often do we see shoes with lights in them? Yet the NFHS decided to address that issue. And gloves? How often are we asked to allow players to wear gloves? The NFHS addressed that issue, didn't it? In the past the NFHS has shown a willingness to rule on situations that do not occur very frequently. What's to stop them from continuing to rule on such infrequent matters?

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

How often do we see shoes with lights in them? Yet the NFHS decided to address that issue.

Again sounds like a straw man argument. The issue is not what the NF has seen, the issue is does it really matter? It must not matter in their interpretation. This sounds like something that a few of you are more concerned with than anyone else honestly.

Peace

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by Rich

I've gotten it twice in the last year and a half. BNR got it twice at the college level. We're somebodies, I'd think. I may be not as much of a somebody as he is, however.

Frankly, I respect the coach that does this. He understands the rule and asks a reasonable question/request from the crew. I'd accept the request and notify the other bench. Big whoop.

I also had a game this year where a coach asked which side the throw-in would start and I told him "which ever side you tell us you want it to start".

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

... the issue is does it really matter?

In a one point game with four seconds remaining, I believe that a coach requesting a particular spot for a run the endline throwin is more important than whether, or not, lighted shoes are legal. I understand that a similar situation (not necessarily with the same score, and time) actually led to the charging of a technical foul in at least one game. I wasn't there, I just heard about it.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

I also had a game this year where a coach asked which side the throw-in would start and I told him "which ever side you tell us you want it to start".

Sounds sensible. What if this request came after the other coach asked where the throwin was going to take place and the official answered, "Where the ball is" (pointing to his partner holding the ball)?

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

Sounds sensible. What if this request came after the other coach asked where the throwin was going to take place and the official answered, "Where the ball is" (pointing to his partner holding the ball)?

I've just come up with a new item for my pre-games, so that won't happen.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

In a one point game with four seconds remaining, I believe that a coach requesting a particular spot for a run the endline throwin is more important than whether, or not, lighted shoes are legal. I understand that this situation actually led to the charging of a technical foul in at least one game.

I have had several games with the last shot was the game decider made or missed, I have yet to have such a request.

The situation that happened over 10 years ago was after a timeout and in the middle of the game in the first half.

Peace

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

... I have yet to have such a request.

And I've never had a coach request that a player be allowed to wear gloves, but when I do, the NFHS tells me how to handle it.

Believe it, or not, I did, only once, have to deal with shoes that light up. I'm probably the only Forum member to deal with this very rare issue. Do I get a prize?