Which Side of the Lane Line?

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by Rich

I'm shocked that crews simply wouldn't go "OK" and just do it. There are places where I draw a line in the sand, but this ain't it.

We give benches the spot on a designated spot throw-in. For an end line runner, why exactly can't they request a starting spot? Nobody's given me a good reason yet.

It is an extremely rare request. Most officials probably never get this request and when they do, it is confusing. I will say this again, I have only been asked for this request once and it was so confusing the coach got mad and had to be T'd. Then when he complained to the assignor, the assignor laughed it off. And as a clinician with my state, this is never discussed because I doubt anyone gets this request.

Peace

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

It is an extremely rare request ... as a clinician with my state, this is never discussed because I doubt anyone gets this request.

True, it's an extremely rare request, but when it is requested, the NFHS should have some rule in place allowing officials to deal with the request. Either give it to the inbounder where the official wants it to be inbounded and let the inbounder run, or give it to the inbounder where the inbounder wants it.

Even without a request for a certain spot after a made basket, where time out is requested, and granted, with the ball still on the floor IAABO (and possibly NFHS) mechanics are ambivalent regarding where the inbounder will be handed the ball. Should officials inbound it for convenience sake (table side, or opposite table side) or should they inbound it as they were set up before the time out request? I would like to see this spelled out. Of course I would like own a villa in Tuscany, but that ain't gonna happen, is it?

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

True, it's an extremely rare request, but when it is requested, the NFHS should have some rule in place allowing officials to deal with the request. Either give it to the inbounder where the official wants it to be inbounded and let the inbounder run, or give it to the inbounder where the inbounder wants it.

The request is so rare, I bet no one even thinks about this. Why come up with a policy that never is an issue?

Originally Posted by BillyMac

NFHS, and IAABO mechanics (I realize that JRutledge uses neither)

I have never said we do not use NF Mechanics, but keep telling that story.

Peace

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

I have never said we do not use NF Mechanics, but keep telling that story.

Sorry. For some reason I thought that your association didn't follow NFHS mechanics 100%. Maybe hybrid?

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

I bet no one even thinks about this.

And you would certainly lose that bet. I thought about it, and many who posted on this forty-plus post thread thought about it.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

And you would certainly lose that bet. I thought about it, and many who posted on this thread thought about it.

So the NF Committee has had to address this issue? You are not on the committee.

And other than the discussion I had when this request was made to me personally, I have never talked about this since with officials I actually work with or train in any camp.

Peace

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

So the NF Committee has had to address this issue?

What's more important? Headband extensions, or how to handle the request detailed in this thread? The NFHS committee has dealt with such minutia in the past, why should it stop now? Eventually, we'll have a rulebook with a thousand pages, and a casebook with a thousand caseplays. That will kill a lot of trees.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

What's more important? Headband extensions, or how to handle the request detailed in this thread?

Well considering I see more different types of headbands in a week than I have ever had a request like people keep suggesting takes place, I would think the issues with uniforms likely need to be addressed more, if there is a rule in place. There is no such rule with where we give the ball and it obviously is not a problem across the country. And the NCAA addresses many more variations and situations and I have never had this ever addressed by them either way. So it appears that at the end of the day, it is left up to us to do what we want. Until we have other direction, I will not likely move and I am not bouncing the ball across the lane. If others choose to do different, that is no sweat off my back for sure.

Originally Posted by BillyMac

The NFHS committee has dealt with such minutia in the past, why should it stop now? Eventually, we'll have a rulebook with a thousand pages, and a casebook with a thousand caseplays. That will kill a lot of trees.

As I said before, the NF does not nearly address as many situations as the NCAA. There are no weekly bulletins in the NF telling us what to do or what not to do. But once again, we do not work for the NF, we work for our states and some of you your LOA.

Peace

[Rich]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

It is an extremely rare request. Most officials probably never get this request and when they do, it is confusing. I will say this again, I have only been asked for this request once and it was so confusing the coach got mad and had to be T'd. Then when he complained to the assignor, the assignor laughed it off. And as a clinician with my state, this is never discussed because I doubt anyone gets this request.

Peace

I've gotten it twice in the last year and a half. BNR got it twice at the college level. We're somebodies, I'd think. I may be not as much of a somebody as he is, however.

Frankly, I respect the coach that does this. He understands the rule and asks a reasonable question/request from the crew. I'd accept the request and notify the other bench. Big whoop.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by Rich

I've gotten it twice in the last year and a half. BNR got it twice at the college level. We're somebodies, I'd think. I may be not as much of a somebody as he is, however.

And that is great, but those are anecdotal situations, just like my case. And since I have never heard anyone having this as an issue or even discuss in a pre-game, I take it that at the end it is very rare if ever requested. Coaches ask all the time where the ball is located, but cannot think of any time they want the ball specifically at one side of the lane or not. And this includes the numerous summer games, tournament games, AAU or any other kind of game that this request could be easily made.

Originally Posted by Rich

Frankly, I respect the coach that does this. He understands the rule and asks a reasonable question/request from the crew. I'd accept the request and notify the other bench. Big whoop.

Well that is great, but I do not ever see these requests. There is nothing to deny when you never see a single request of this nature.

I also do not care if you move all the officials. I might be confused at first if I am not the official bringing in the ball, but there are so many bigger things to be upset by.

Peace

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by Rich

I've gotten it twice in the last year and a half. BNR got it twice at the college level. We're somebodies, I'd think. I may be not as much of a somebody as he is, however.

Frankly, I respect the coach that does this. He understands the rule and asks a reasonable question/request from the crew. I'd accept the request and notify the other bench. Big whoop.

I also had a game this year where a coach asked which side the throw-in would start and I told him "which ever side you tell us you want it to start".

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

I also had a game this year where a coach asked which side the throw-in would start and I told him "which ever side you tell us you want it to start".

Sounds sensible. What if this request came after the other coach asked where the throwin was going to take place and the official answered, "Where the ball is" (pointing to his partner holding the ball)?

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

Sounds sensible. What if this request came after the other coach asked where the throwin was going to take place and the official answered, "Where the ball is" (pointing to his partner holding the ball)?

I've just come up with a new item for my pre-games, so that won't happen.