Great vengeance and furious anger...

[JetMetFan]

...from a state association regarding uniform rules:

I would ask the rules interpreters...to please share this with all of the assignors...and ask them, no tell them that they need to send an email to all...officials (reminding them that our state association) compels the officials to enforce all of the rules, not just some, especially the uniform rule and the coaches' box rule. We covered these rules extensively as we went around the state and we made it very clear that the rules are to be administrated as we explained.

I am close to sending a note to all 70 or more basketball observers telling them to get the name(s) of any officials (who do not) enforce all of the rules and that I will make a decision that may impact their use in state tournament games.

This is a sad, very sad commentary about the basketball officials in (our state that our association) may have to take these kinds of measures. However, I will do what I have to do.

As for school(s) that will not put the coaches box down on their courts, both team's coaches have to remain seated for the entire game. Tell them that right from the beginning of every game, freshman, jv, and varsity. Let the AD and coach figure it out.

And we're only a few weeks into the season. I edited for grammar as much as I could but the sentiment wasn't lost.

[Raymond]

At least there is no ambiguity about what is expected. And better this come out a few weeks into the season rather than with only a few weeks left.

[packersowner]

I like the part about the coaching box. It's not just officials that need this reminder, game management needs a reminder as well. There are so many of these types of things that get lost.


Add to the list:

- having your court marked with an X
- your scorer wearing stripes
- having your a coaching box marked (as noted)


My only problem is that now I have a visiting team coach who can't stand because the AD from the home school can't find some tape.

[JetMetFan]

Originally Posted by packersowner

My only problem is that now I have a visiting team coach who can't stand because the AD from the home school can't find some tape.

Yeah, I can see that but at least it's a shared pain.

I just had a game with this association Tuesday. A team wearing orange jerseys walked in with players wearing:

*White t-shirts
*Black t-shirts
*White tights
*Black tights

As I addressed it with the head coach he said - calmly and with no disrespect - "Okay, so we're enforcing the rule today. I got it." That's even more frustrating because it means he knows the rule and won't do anything about it unless told by the officials.

Meantime, the opponent - in its home whites - had a player with a pink headband and a camouflage headband. My first thought when I saw them was, "Who the heck had these kids in their first few games of the season?"

On another note, I received an email today from the same association reminding officials they are not allowed to wear fitbits on their wrists during games. Seriously? We have met the enemy and it is us...

[Kansas Ref]

I expected the issue of "fashion policing" to arise this season because some refs are prone to say in pregame with captains and coaches: "...well, your undershirts [or compression tights] are not the right [matching] color, but we're going to let it pass this time--but try to fix it in the future."
This type of leniency [i.e., 'rule kicking'] makes me look like a gestappo when I have a game and I tell the Coach that A1 and B3 can't participate until their uni' issues are fixed. Then Coach replies: "well, the refs from last week were OK with these unis". Grrrrrrrr!!

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by Kansas Ref

I expected the issue of "fashion policing" to arise this season because some refs are prone to say in pregame with captains and coaches: "...well, your undershirts [or compression tights] are not the right [matching] color, but we're going to let it pass this time--but try to fix it in the future."
This type of leniency [i.e., 'rule kicking'] makes me look like a gestappo when I have a game and I tell the Coach that A1 and B3 can't participate until their uni' issues are fixed. Then Coach replies: "well, the refs from last week were OK with these unis". Grrrrrrrr!!

I don't worry about the coaches' responses. I've had multiple games this season, college and HS, where we've had to get players to correct fashion errors. We've had no issues in getting the situations corrected.

[deecee]

Who cares about coaches response. When a coach says something like, "well in our last game" or "the other refs" my response now is short. "I don't care." I used to think I needed to say more than that but I don't. It also is a bit annoying to me when partners try and "smooth" it over with coaches over this. It sounds so apologetic.

I tell the players or coaches I don't care what they do with their uniform. They just may not be allowed to play. It's their choice which direction they want to go.

[WhistlesAndStripes]

Originally Posted by Kansas Ref

I expected the issue of "fashion policing" to arise this season because some refs are prone to say in pregame with captains and coaches: "...well, your undershirts [or compression tights] are not the right [matching] color, but we're going to let it pass this time--but try to fix it in the future."
This type of leniency [i.e., 'rule kicking'] makes me look like a gestappo when I have a game and I tell the Coach that A1 and B3 can't participate until their uni' issues are fixed. Then Coach replies: "well, the refs from last week were OK with these unis". Grrrrrrrr!!

And that's when you say, "Those officials were scheduled for your game today, but had to attend some rules training regarding proper uniforms tonight instead, so you're stuck with me tonight."

[packersowner]

Originally Posted by Kansas Ref

I expected the issue of "fashion policing" to arise this season because some refs are prone to say in pregame with captains and coaches: "...well, your undershirts [or compression tights] are not the right [matching] color, but we're going to let it pass this time--but try to fix it in the future."
This type of leniency [i.e., 'rule kicking'] makes me look like a gestappo when I have a game and I tell the Coach that A1 and B3 can't participate until their uni' issues are fixed. Then Coach replies: "well, the refs from last week were OK with these unis". Grrrrrrrr!!

I prefer, to never be the last crew

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by packersowner

My only problem is that now I have a visiting team coach who can't stand because the AD from the home school can't find some tape.

Here's what we do in Connecticut:

Coaching Box must be marked. If home coach, and/or home management, refuse to designate a coaching box
with tape, the home team will not use a coaching box for that game. However, the visiting team will be
allowed a coaching box. Notify Board Secretary, or Commissioner.

[frezer11]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

Here's what we do in Connecticut:

Coaching Box must be marked. If home coach, and/or home management, refuse to designate a coaching box
with tape, the home team will not use a coaching box for that game. However, the visiting team will be
allowed a coaching box. Notify Board Secretary, or Commissioner.

This is surprising to me. Not only does it seem unfair (even if the home team could potentially fix the problem) but how does the visiting coach use a coaches box that doesn't exist? How do you know if he is outside of where the box is supposed to be or not?

[SCalScoreKeeper]

At our school the officials mostly just count 7 chairs from the chair closest to the table and call that the box.

Originally Posted by frezer11

This is surprising to me. Not only does it seem unfair (even if the home team could potentially fix the problem) but how does the visiting coach use a coaches box that doesn't exist? How do you know if he is outside of where the box is supposed to be or not?

Sounds like this refers to a situation where the home people have marked a box for the visiting coach but refuse to mark one for the home coach.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by frezer11

This is surprising to me. Not only does it seem unfair (even if the home team could potentially fix the problem) but how does the visiting coach use a coaches box that doesn't exist? How do you know if he is outside of where the box is supposed to be or not?

Why would you worry about it being unfair when the home team is fully responsible for ensuring it doesn't get that far?