Great vengeance and furious anger...

[frezer11]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

Here's what we do in Connecticut:

Coaching Box must be marked. If home coach, and/or home management, refuse to designate a coaching box
with tape, the home team will not use a coaching box for that game. However, the visiting team will be
allowed a coaching box. Notify Board Secretary, or Commissioner.

This is surprising to me. Not only does it seem unfair (even if the home team could potentially fix the problem) but how does the visiting coach use a coaches box that doesn't exist? How do you know if he is outside of where the box is supposed to be or not?

[SCalScoreKeeper]

At our school the officials mostly just count 7 chairs from the chair closest to the table and call that the box.

Originally Posted by frezer11

This is surprising to me. Not only does it seem unfair (even if the home team could potentially fix the problem) but how does the visiting coach use a coaches box that doesn't exist? How do you know if he is outside of where the box is supposed to be or not?

Sounds like this refers to a situation where the home people have marked a box for the visiting coach but refuse to mark one for the home coach.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by AremRed

Sounds like this refers to a situation where the home people have marked a box for the visiting coach but refuse to mark one for the home coach.

No, it's a situation where there are no coaching boxes mark on the court. Virginia also tells us to adjudicate the same way, home coach sits, visiting coach gets to wander.

[Rich]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

No, it's a situation where there are no coaching boxes mark on the court. Virginia also tells us to adjudicate the same way, home coach sits, visiting coach gets to wander.

Same in Wisconsin.

[so cal lurker]

Originally Posted by Rich

Same in Wisconsin.

Pretty good way to make sure they get marked!

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by frezer11

This is surprising to me. Not only does it seem unfair (even if the home team could potentially fix the problem) but how does the visiting coach use a coaches box that doesn't exist? How do you know if he is outside of where the box is supposed to be or not?

Why would you worry about it being unfair when the home team is fully responsible for ensuring it doesn't get that far?

[frezer11]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

Why would you worry about it being unfair when the home team is fully responsible for ensuring it doesn't get that far?

There may be an argument to make as to whether or not this situation is fair, I still think that it isn't, but if you're asking why should I worry about it? Because that's what we do! The rules are put together to make the game fair on both sides, and it seems to me that this ignores that aspect, not to mention it ignores what is specifically written in the rule book. Again though, regardless of who's responsibility it is, in the game itself, I think it is unfair to allow one coach to use the coaching box, and the other not to. Especially if the box isn't marked for either one.

All that said, I'm not from Connecticut, maybe some of you can comment on this, but I assume this is at most a one-time issue? Seems like the first time this happens, the lines are going to get put down before the next game! Is it allowable for the box to be put down in the middle of the game? Say they find the floor tape 4 minutes in to the first quarter, and want to put the boxes down. Is this allowable in your state?

[bob jenkins]

Not allowed to add the boxes after the game.

And the rule is "fair" because somewhere there's some coach A who doesn't mind sitting and knows the opposing coach B likes to stand so coach A purposely does not have boxes marked to get an advantage.

The home team is supposed to comply with the rules and if the state says "we use a box" then the home team should be the only ones to suffer if they don't have boxes.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

Not allowed to add the boxes after the game.

And the rule is "fair" because somewhere there's some coach A who doesn't mind sitting and knows the opposing coach B likes to stand so coach A purposely does not have boxes marked to get an advantage.

The home team is supposed to comply with the rules and if the state says "we use a box" then the home team should be the only ones to suffer if they don't have boxes.

Excellent example Bob!

[Adam]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

Not allowed to add the boxes after the game.

And the rule is "fair" because somewhere there's some coach A who doesn't mind sitting and knows the opposing coach B likes to stand so coach A purposely does not have boxes marked to get an advantage.

The home team is supposed to comply with the rules and if the state says "we use a box" then the home team should be the only ones to suffer if they don't have boxes.

And here I was just thinking, "why punish the visiting team for the home school's intransigence?"

Bob's example is even better.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by frezer11

There may be an argument to make as to whether or not this situation is fair, I still think that it isn't, but if you're asking why should I worry about it? Because that's what we do! The rules are put together to make the game fair on both sides, and it seems to me that this ignores that aspect, not to mention it ignores what is specifically written in the rule book. Again though, regardless of who's responsibility it is, in the game itself, I think it is unfair to allow one coach to use the coaching box, and the other not to. Especially if the box isn't marked for either one.

All that said, I'm not from Connecticut, maybe some of you can comment on this, but I assume this is at most a one-time issue? Seems like the first time this happens, the lines are going to get put down before the next game! Is it allowable for the box to be put down in the middle of the game? Say they find the floor tape 4 minutes in to the first quarter, and want to put the boxes down. Is this allowable in your state?

I really don't concern myself with fairness when there is a clearly stated procedure to handle a certain situation. In my state, Virginia, they feel it is appropriate for the home team to lose its box while the visiting team keeps theirs when the home team fails to fulfill its responsibilities on this matter. The "unfair" adjudication is in place to get those irresponsible (or lazy) schools to get their act together.