Can't think straight...need assistance

[Hartsy]

I know this was shown to be wrong in another post, and I know the OP ultimately confirmed that the ball had been released on the try when the contact by B2 occurred, but I think it's important to directly quote Hartsy as incorrect. If A1 has begun the habitual motion and the defense commits a foul before the ball is released, A1 still gets continuous motion. Continuous motion, though applied to a foul on the shooter 99% of the time, does not have to result solely from a foul on the shooter. Any defender who commits a foul (including a technical foul) can activate the provision of continuous motion. This is a basic concept and it's disappointing to see it articulated incorrectly in this forum.

I read here a lot and talk rules with other officials quite a bit. I don't recall ever seeing or hearing that continuous motion applies as you describe. Looks like I have some research to do. Anyone else care to chime in? Thankfully, as you say, this is a very rare event.

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by Hartsy

Anyone else care to chime in?

Sure. Those who claim that continuous motion applies to any foul by the defense (not just on the shooter) are correct.

[deecee]

Originally Posted by Hartsy

I know this was shown to be wrong in another post, and I know the OP ultimately confirmed that the ball had been released on the try when the contact by B2 occurred, but I think it's important to directly quote Hartsy as incorrect. If A1 has begun the habitual motion and the defense commits a foul before the ball is released, A1 still gets continuous motion. Continuous motion, though applied to a foul on the shooter 99% of the time, does not have to result solely from a foul on the shooter. Any defender who commits a foul (including a technical foul) can activate the provision of continuous motion. This is a basic concept and it's disappointing to see it articulated incorrectly in this forum.

I read here a lot and talk rules with other officials quite a bit. I don't recall ever seeing or hearing that continuous motion applies as you describe. Looks like I have some research to do. Anyone else care to chime in? Thankfully, as you say, this is a very rare event.

Any foul by the DEFENSE does not take away a shot attempt (whether or not the ball has been released yet).

A foul by the offense (NOT THE SHOOTER) would NOT take away a shot IF the ball has been released.

This may be rare but it happens about once a year for me (that's about 1 in 30-40 games). Usually its a defender running through a screen or an illegal screen away from the ball.

[Hartsy]

I stand corrected. 2015-16 Case Book 6.7 Situation D.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by Hartsy

I know this was shown to be wrong in another post, and I know the OP ultimately confirmed that the ball had been released on the try when the contact by B2 occurred, but I think it's important to directly quote Hartsy as incorrect. If A1 has begun the habitual motion and the defense commits a foul before the ball is released, A1 still gets continuous motion. Continuous motion, though applied to a foul on the shooter 99% of the time, does not have to result solely from a foul on the shooter. Any defender who commits a foul (including a technical foul) can activate the provision of continuous motion. This is a basic concept and it's disappointing to see it articulated incorrectly in this forum.

I read here a lot and talk rules with other officials quite a bit. I don't recall ever seeing or hearing that continuous motion applies as you describe. Looks like I have some research to do. Anyone else care to chime in? Thankfully, as you say, this is a very rare event.

Not much research is needed, just look up the definition of continuous motion.

4-11 ART. 1

Continuous motion applies to a try or tap for field goals and free throws, but it has no significance unless there is a foul by any defensive player during the interval which begins when the habitual throwing movement starts a try or with the touching on a tap and ends when the ball is clearly in flight.

[Hartsy]

Beat ya by 3min BadNewsRef. I hope this happens tonight. I'll be on top of it!

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by Hartsy

Beat ya by 3min BadNewsRef. I hope this happens tonight. I'll be on top of it!

What I hope is that a defender violates the free throw line without touching the shooter and the free throw shooter then pushes the defender while the ball is in flight.