So...is the term "extended arm bar" unclear?

[deecee]

Originally Posted by Kansas Ref

I worked a NF game with a ref who would hold up two hands with open palms and fingers spread apart at me when I was giving the ball for a throw in after a substitution. I presumed that was his way of telling me "OK, we now have 10 players in the game, go ahead and start throw-in." Later he told me that two hands up meant "stop/pause", I told him that his mechanic was confusing.

If 2 hands up means go ahead to you and is confusing then there isn't much to say is there. It's also used since it's 3 man and you want both to show both partners, "hey hold up"

[#olderthanilook]

Originally Posted by deecee

If 2 hands up means go ahead to you and is confusing then there isn't much to say is there. It's also used since it's 3 man and you want both to show both partners, "hey hold up"

Two hands up, palms facing a partner typically means "I've counted 10 on the court." where I'm from.

A single raised arm with open palm is the stop or "do not proceed yet" sign.

A point or thumbs up is the "good to go" sign.

Those are all things I see in my area from officials at every level....H.S. NAIA and NCAA.

[deecee]

Originally Posted by #olderthanilook

Two hands up, palms facing a partner typically means "I've counted 10 on the court." where I'm from.

A single raised arm with open palm is the stop or "do not proceed yet" sign.

A point or thumbs up is the "good to go" sign.

Those are all things I see in my area from officials at every level....H.S. NAIA and NCAA.

You have an, "I've counted 10 signal"? I thought Hand/hands up means hold on and hands down means lets play.

[#olderthanilook]

Originally Posted by deecee

You have an, "I've counted 10 signal"? I thought Hand/hands up means hold on and hands down means lets play.

That's how I interpret it. And, that is what most guys I know that use it are trying to communicate.

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by #olderthanilook

Two hands up, palms facing a partner typically means "I've counted 10 on the court." where I'm from.

A single raised arm with open palm is the stop or "do not proceed yet" sign.

A point or thumbs up is the "good to go" sign.

Those are all things I see in my area from officials at every level....H.S. NAIA and NCAA.

Originally Posted by deecee

You have an, "I've counted 10 signal"? I thought Hand/hands up means hold on and hands down means lets play.

While it isn't official and most don't use that signal....there are some around here that do exactly that....two hands up in front of them to indicated they have counted 10. I don't do it, but I've seen it done a few times a year. It is an incorrect mechanic and certainly far from clear and consistent.

[Rich]

Originally Posted by #olderthanilook

Two hands up, palms facing a partner typically means "I've counted 10 on the court." where I'm from.

A single raised arm with open palm is the stop or "do not proceed yet" sign.

A point or thumbs up is the "good to go" sign.

Those are all things I see in my area from officials at every level....H.S. NAIA and NCAA.

A thumbs up from me means there's 10....cause we're not "good to go" if there are 9 or 11 on the floor.

[#olderthanilook]

Originally Posted by Rich

A thumbs up from me means there's 10....cause we're not "good to go" if there are 9 or 11 on the floor.

Exactly.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by #olderthanilook

Two hands up, palms facing a partner typically means "I've counted 10 on the court." where I'm from.

A single raised arm with open palm is the stop or "do not proceed yet" sign.

A point or thumbs up is the "good to go" sign.

Those are all things I see in my area from officials at every level....H.S. NAIA and NCAA.

So it has nothing to do with someone being a "college" official, as our friend from Kansas was insinuating.

[Eastshire]

Originally Posted by deecee

If 2 hands up means go ahead to you and is confusing then there isn't much to say is there. It's also used since it's 3 man and you want both to show both partners, "hey hold up"

Who gives a two-handed stop signal?

The two handed signal customarily given here is done with the fingers spread, indicating 10, and is followed by a point or thumbs up. It means: I have counted the players and there are 10.

If given with fingers closed, I can see it meaning wait, but why then use both arms?

[deecee]

Originally Posted by Eastshire

If given with fingers closed, I can see it meaning wait, but why then use both arms?

Like I said generally with 3 man its 1 arm for each official.

[Eastshire]

Originally Posted by deecee

Like I said generally with 3 man its 1 arm for each official.

Honest question: Don't you just need to signal the official handling the restart? Also, why can't they see a single arm as well as two?

[deecee]

Originally Posted by Eastshire

Honest question: Don't you just need to signal the official handling the restart? Also, why can't they see a single arm as well as two?

Just the way I was taught. Usually let the C take over the substitution process. I use it rarely. Usually just one hand up, but 2 is acceptable.