Please Explain This Call (Video)

[xyrph]

Foul is called on White #4:

[Raymond]

What did the official who called it say when asked to explain? Why do you expect us to explain some other official's call? It's obvious he missed the first push by R21 that caused W4 to fall on the R25 player on the floor. It's a missed called. Officials miss calls sometimes. I see one official wearing a watch and another who appears to be 15 years-old, I would definitely expect that they would miss some calls.

Can you explain the parent who was yelling at the girl who committed the initial turnover?

[xyrph]

No, I cannot explain why people watching the game say what they say.

What an odd question, and not very helpful.

This wrong call happened literally directly in front of the ref. The only way to miss it was with eyes closed.

I can tell you what is frustrating from a parents perspective is that most refs have zero humility, and act as if they are never ever wrong. Around here they do not answer questions.

In this particular case the woman ref comes over pronouncing that this "foul" was white #4's 5th foul and the removed her from the game. Turns out it was only her fourth foul and they corrected it a few minutes later, allowing her back in after critical moment of the game had transpired.

And, all four of her "fouls" were just as obviously suspect.

[scrounge]

Well, sounds like you need to sign up for the next officiating class, xyrph. Clearly this league needs your obviously superior judgment and instincts. Don't just be a sideline youtube warrior - get in the ring, son.

Ok, the dude missed the push by R21 (though it didn't look like a massive one). I don't really have a huge problem calling fouls on players that jump on others recklessly trying to force a jump ball - that's what he saw. And so they momentarily got the # of fouls wrong - the table got it corrected, that's what they're there for.

The ref should answer questions from the coach and others actually involved in the game, if done so in a polite manner. The peanut gallery isn't in the game.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by xyrph

No, I cannot explain why people watching the game say what they say.

What an odd question, and not very helpful.

This wrong call happened literally directly in front of the lead. The only way to miss it was with eyes closed.

I can tell you what is frustrating from a parents perspective is that most refs have zero humility, and act as if they are never ever wrong. Around here they do not answer questions.

In this particular case the woman ref comes over pronouncing that this "foul" was white #4's 5th foul and the removed her from the game. Turns out it was only her fourth foul and they corrected it a few minutes later, allowing her back in after critical moment of the game had transpired.

And, all four of her "fouls" were just as obviously suspect.

How do you know if the official answered the COACH'S question about the play?

And what is so helpful about your video? What are you or I learning from it? The official missed the called. What are you offering in the way of advise to so that another official won't get that call wrong?

And how are you going to criticize officials if you don't know the difference between a Lead and a Trail.

If frustrating a human being's perspective to for someone to post a video of an event and then ask a whole bunch of people why someone they don't know made a decision as if we are in their brain.

So again, what was the purpose of posting this video other than to make the juvenile comment about the "Lead" official having his eyes closed. Tell us again how you are being "helpful"?

[Dad]

Originally Posted by xyrph

No, I cannot explain why people watching the game say what they say.

What an odd question, and not very helpful.

This wrong call happened literally directly in front of the lead. The only way to miss it was with eyes closed.

I can tell you what is frustrating from a parents perspective is that most refs have zero humility, and act as if they are never ever wrong. Around here they do not answer questions.

In this particular case the woman ref comes over pronouncing that this "foul" was white #4's 5th foul and the removed her from the game. Turns out it was only her fourth foul and they corrected it a few minutes later, allowing her back in after critical moment of the game had transpired.

And, all four of her "fouls" were just as obviously suspect.

In my opinion, if this is true, I agree it's extremely frustrating. To top it off it's unprofessional and makes entire leagues mediocre. I do find it hard to believe that they never answer questions. All encompassing statements tend to have an issue with being not true.

As a general rule, I'll answer most questions. Personally, I will almost always tell a coach when I mucked up a call. There is, however, a lot of dynamics involved and game management is an art most officials don't have. Without it, you're not working 5A or even 4A around here. Or maybe even any varsity games for that matter. Really depends on association.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by Dad

In my opinion, if this is true, I agree it's extremely frustrating. To top it off it's unprofessional and makes entire leagues mediocre. I do find it hard to believe that they never answer questions. All encompassing statements tend to have an issue with being not true.

As a general rule, I'll answer most questions. Personally, I will almost always tell a coach when I mucked up a call. There is, however, a lot of dynamics involved and game management is an art most officials don't have. Without it, you're not working 5A or even 4A around here. Or maybe even any varsity games for that matter. Really depends on association.

I don't answer parents' questions, even those who are recording the game from the stands. We do not know if the official in question answered any questions about that call, assuming the HC even questioned it. And I have a hard time believing the 15 year-old looking official would ignore questions from a coach.

[Dad]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

I don't answer parents' questions, even those who are recording the game from the stands. We do not know if the official in question answered any questions about that call, assuming the HC even questioned it. And I have a hard time believing the 15 year-old looking official would ignore questions from a coach.

My bad, I should have been more clear. I meant answering coaches' questions.

I also said "if" and meant it.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by xyrph

No, I cannot explain why people watching the game say what they say.

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But you expect someone here to explain why an official made a call that he made.

[xyrph]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

But you expect someone here to explain why an official made a call that he made.

I don't expect anything. I was hoping that a forum of officials might provide professional insight.

The comparison to fans watching a game is absurd.

[JRutledge]

I can explain it perfectly, it is girls basketball.

We can end this topic now.

Peace

[Adam]

Originally Posted by xyrph

I don't expect anything. I was hoping that a forum of officials might provide professional insight.

The comparison to fans watching a game is absurd.

It's not absurd. You may not like the comparison, but it's a natural response to being asked to explain why someone called what he did when all we get is 26 seconds. And none of us know him.

[BigCat]

Originally Posted by xyrph

This wrong call happened literally directly in front of the ref. The only way to miss it was with eyes closed.

I can tell you what is frustrating from a parents perspective is that most refs have zero humility, and act as if they are never ever wrong. Around here they do not answer questions.

You wont understand until you put a striped shirt on and actually try to referee. Sometimes a referee gets too close to see the whole play. sometimes the referee sees the whole play and the whistle just doesnt blow. sometimes there just not very good at it. Everybody is a great referee from the third row. If you really want to understand, go out and try it.

It may not be practical for you to actually try to referee. But what you can do, and what you should do, is take a stand against the idiot yelling at the girl bringing the ball up the floor. Parents like this ruin youth sports. It doesnt help the girl he's yelling at and im sure his own daughter doesnt think much of his yelling either.

[SAJ]

Ball was tipped away by White 4 before coming into the front court, thus it never had front court status.

I don't really see a foul by White 4 before that, but there was one by White 34 before the girls went to the floor.

[SAJ]

As for the foul in question, the official probably didn't get a good look at the forearm by Red 21. Looks like he might have been partially straight lined with Red21/White4