Please Explain This Call (Video)

[jpgc99]

I hate that we are in an age where people with a cheap cell phone camera and a free youtube account can film a video clip like this and post it to the internet for the intention of embarrassing an official.

The officials on this game are clearly not working high level basketball (no offense to the OP's daughter, but the OP should check his level of humility, too), and are certainly not at a level where it is fair for them to be humiliated on the internet.

Missed call? Yes. But there were probably at least 20 others in that game alone.

[crosscountry55]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

We even had a missed BC violation.

No comment about the main topic; this whole thread is depressing.

But! No BC violation. It was close, but we had a dribbler and the ball never went back after finally gaining FC status. The last bounce before the ball came over touched the division line which is part of the BC. Or at least it was so close that I wouldn't have been 100% to make a call, especially right after a turnover like that where I'm not in a credible position to see it.


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[Dad]

Originally Posted by jpgc99

I hate that we are in an age where people with a cheap cell phone camera and a free youtube account can film a video clip like this and post it to the internet for the intention of embarrassing an official.

The officials on this game are clearly not working high level basketball (no offense to the OP's daughter, but the OP should check his level of humility, too), and are certainly not at a level where it is fair for them to be humiliated on the internet.

Missed call? Yes. But there were probably at least 20 others in that game alone.

Some legit points, but there's way more good than harm. You aren't really an official unless you are on youtube with 10k+ views blowing a call.

After every game I go to the AD and ask if they record the game. If so, I ask if I could get a copy of it. I get at least 70% of my games on video and watch them. If it wasn't for this strategy there's no way I'd be as good as I am. There's plenty of times I watch and go think how did I screw that call up so bad. We all screw up plays, and sometimes pretty badly.

I take zero offense to knowing those schools also see me blow the call and go, "Get a load of this clown!" All part of the job, shake it off.

[Dad]

Originally Posted by crosscountry55

No comment about the main topic; this whole thread is depressing.

But! No BC violation. It was close, but we had a dribbler and the ball never went back after finally gaining FC status. The last bounce before the ball came over touched the division line which is part of the BC. Or at least it was so close that I wouldn't have been 100% to make a call, especially right after a turnover like that where I'm not in a credible position to see it.


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I agree, I don't think any good official is going to call a BC here and be happy about their call. The dribble with team control and front court status hits MAYBE BC and there's no way to be certain. Even in slow motion.

[jpgc99]

Originally Posted by Dad

Some legit points, but there's way more good than harm. You aren't really an official unless you are on youtube with 10k+ views blowing a call.

After every game I go to the AD and ask if they record the game. If so, I ask if I could get a copy of it. I get at least 70% of my games on video and watch them. If it wasn't for this strategy there's no way I'd be as good as I am. There's plenty of times I watch and go think how did I screw that call up so bad. We all screw up plays, and sometimes pretty badly.

I take zero offense to knowing those schools also see me blow the call and go, "Get a load of this clown!" All part of the job, shake it off.

I get film from every game I work, and I break down every play. If I get on YouTube, so be it. I'm at a level where I'm comfortable with that fact and will continue to work games. but there is a level where we all begin. The people in the video look like rookies and it is not appropriate for some fan to film the game, clip one play, and post that play on the Internet and this forum looking for people to criticize and humiliate. Everyone started by working a lower level. I'm lucky that YouTube wasn't this popular when I started. We have a shortage of officials at lower levels. This is one of the reasons ... Fans at these games are typically much morse than those at the college level. Who wants to be verbally abused for two hours and humiliated on the Internet for $25?

[BigCat]

Originally Posted by xyrph

This wrong call happened literally directly in front of the ref. The only way to miss it was with eyes closed.

I can tell you what is frustrating from a parents perspective is that most refs have zero humility, and act as if they are never ever wrong. Around here they do not answer questions.

You wont understand until you put a striped shirt on and actually try to referee. Sometimes a referee gets too close to see the whole play. sometimes the referee sees the whole play and the whistle just doesnt blow. sometimes there just not very good at it. Everybody is a great referee from the third row. If you really want to understand, go out and try it.

It may not be practical for you to actually try to referee. But what you can do, and what you should do, is take a stand against the idiot yelling at the girl bringing the ball up the floor. Parents like this ruin youth sports. It doesnt help the girl he's yelling at and im sure his own daughter doesnt think much of his yelling either.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by crosscountry55

No comment about the main topic; this whole thread is depressing.

But! No BC violation. It was close, but we had a dribbler and the ball never went back after finally gaining FC status. The last bounce before the ball came over touched the division line which is part of the BC. Or at least it was so close that I wouldn't have been 100% to make a call, especially right after a turnover like that where I'm not in a credible position to see it.

I think you are right, I had to slow it down to see the video. The ball looks like it is never brought back to the BC.

Peace

[BillyMac]

It's tough to see the white division line on the light colored court. The guy who selected these colors should be shot.

[Dad]

Originally Posted by jpgc99

I get film from every game I work, and I break down every play. If I get on YouTube, so be it. I'm at a level where I'm comfortable with that fact and will continue to work games. but there is a level where we all begin. The people in the video look like rookies and it is not appropriate for some fan to film the game, clip one play, and post that play on the Internet and this forum looking for people to criticize and humiliate. Everyone started by working a lower level. I'm lucky that YouTube wasn't this popular when I started. We have a shortage of officials at lower levels. This is one of the reasons ... Fans at these games are typically much morse than those at the college level. Who wants to be verbally abused for two hours and humiliated on the Internet for $25?

I wonder how many see it this way -- honestly curious. Coaches want me on big games and I still do full on stupid stuff.

Thread is getting goofy, but I'll end it on a comical note:

Had a pretty good 3man JV game Thursday night. Was working a JV/Varsity double header and we had a first time 3man official for the JV game. Did everything I could to make him feel comfortable with the crew. Great pregame. Got most of the officials nerves out of the way. Everyone smiling getting ready to run out. Do captains, coaches, and books... everything looking great. I go to administer the jump ball... and... put the ball down and sprint out of the gym for a whistle. Thought I'd never make this mistake but it finally happened after eight years.

Recording went straight to the assigner.

[SAJ]

Ball was tipped away by White 4 before coming into the front court, thus it never had front court status.

I don't really see a foul by White 4 before that, but there was one by White 34 before the girls went to the floor.

[SAJ]

As for the foul in question, the official probably didn't get a good look at the forearm by Red 21. Looks like he might have been partially straight lined with Red21/White4

[Dad]

[QUOTE=SAJ;971893]Ball was tipped away by White 4 before coming into the front court, thus it never had front court status.

Still team control. Red dribbles it while having FC status and what we're talking about is if the ball hit the line or not. The tip is irrelevant

I don't really see a foul by White 4 before that, but there was one by White 34 before the girls went to the floor.

That's a foul on white #4. Whether you want to call it or not is up to you.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by Dad

... and sprint out of the gym for a whistle. Thought I'd never make this mistake but it finally happened after eight years.(

Once in thirty-five years. I can't guarantee that it won't happen again.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by SAJ

... the official probably didn't get a good look at the forearm by Red 21. Looks like he might have been partially straight lined with Red21/White4

Good point. He got a look, but not a good look.

[SAJ]

[QUOTE=Dad;971895]

Originally Posted by SAJ

Ball was tipped away by White 4 before coming into the front court, thus it never had front court status.

Still team control. Red dribbles it while having FC status and what we're talking about is if the ball hit the line or not. The tip is irrelevant

I don't really see a foul by White 4 before that, but there was one by White 34 before the girls went to the floor.

That's a foul on white #4. Whether you want to call it or not is up to you.

White4 puts her arm up, but I don't see any contact with it. Maybe you do.