time to remove from the clock

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by MD Longhorn

You do not remove time from the clock unless you have positive knowledge of how much should be removed (like... referee was at 6 in a 10-second count... you can remove the 6).

And for that matter, you remove the 6 even if the ball crossed into the frontcourt for some unknown number of seconds after the official stopped counting when the ball reached frontcourt.

[crosscountry55]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

And for that matter, you remove the 6 even if the ball crossed into the frontcourt for some unknown number of seconds after the official stopped counting when the ball reached frontcourt.

Great point.

Step 1 = know how much time there was when the clock was stopped. Game awareness is a force multiplier.

Step 2 = Don't guess once you've noticed that the clock didn't start. Blow the whistle, say "my time, my time.....clock did not start," and watch the timer sheepishly slouch in his chair.

Step 3 = If you and your partners had any counts since the ball was inbounded, sum them up and take that time off, but no more, even if "more" was a long time.

Step 4 = resume from the Point of Interruption.


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[bbman]

Here's what happened;
2.3 sec on game clock, offensive player tries to i/b pass, but pass is immediately blocked back oob (no time taken off clock). Tries again, same results. Again, no time has run off clock.
Do nothing with the time left on clock?

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by bbman

Here's what happened;
2.3 sec on game clock, offensive player tries to i/b pass, but pass is immediately blocked back oob (no time taken off clock). Tries again, same results. Again, no time has run off clock.
Do nothing with the time left on clock?

Are the officials chopping in time on the touch?

Prior to the second occurrance did anyone remind the timer to start the clock on the first touch by a defender or offensive player?

If the action happened too fast to have a count, there isn't anything NFHS officials can do. In the NBA, 0.3 seconds will be deducted from the clock in such situations.

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by bbman

Here's what happened;
2.3 sec on game clock, offensive player tries to i/b pass, but pass is immediately blocked back oob (no time taken off clock). Tries again, same results. Again, no time has run off clock.
Do nothing with the time left on clock?

Basically, no. If you don't have a count, you can't do anything.

That said, there is no reason you can't have a count in the closing seconds of a game. In fact, it is good game management to count everything in the closing seconds for this very reason. Don't go slinging your arm around when there is no count required by rule. Only the "official" counts should be visible. But, have a count in your head for everything at the end of a game...then you'll be able to make adjustments (by rule) when they are needed.

[ODog]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

Don't go slinging your arm around when there is no count required by rule. Only the "official" counts should be visible. But, have a count in your head for everything at the end of a game...then you'll be able to make adjustments (by rule) when they are needed.

I agree with the sentiment about not slinging your arm around willy-nilly when it isn't necessary, but in the age of video and officials needing to increasingly be able to "justify" their decisions, I'd make any count (required or otherwise) visible in situations like these.

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by ODog

I agree with the sentiment about not slinging your arm around willy-nilly when it isn't necessary, but in the age of video and officials needing to increasingly be able to "justify" their decisions, I'd make any count (required or otherwise) visible in situations like these.

The fact that any time I take off would match the real time will be the proof. They can put a stopwatch to it and verify it if they want and I'll be pretty close.

[HokiePaul]

I think this discussion comes up every year. From an interpretation several years back (2009-2010 NFHS Basketball Rules Interpretations) it was suggested that officials make some allowance for time off the clock on a legal touch.

I think the consensus is that in the case you describe, no time comes off of the clock as you don't have definative knowledge. However, I think there are some who would argue that removing "tenths of a second" for the touch is supported in the case book. The official has definitive knowledge that more than 0.0 seconds should have run off the clock if the ball was legally batted out by the defense.

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In (c), the official may put the correct time on the clock, but must make some allowance for the touching by A1 -- likely 10ths of a second, if displayed. The ball is put in play nearest to where it was located when the stoppage occurred to correct the timing mistake. A "do over" is not permitted in (c), since the throw-in had ended. (4-36; 5-10-1)
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[crosscountry55]

Originally Posted by bbman

Here's what happened;
2.3 sec on game clock, offensive player tries to i/b pass, but pass is immediately blocked back oob (no time taken off clock). Tries again, same results. Again, no time has run off clock.
Do nothing with the time left on clock?

Nope. But after the first one, I'd probably go check the timer to make sure he had a pulse. Might be a case of slow fingers, or maybe his console sucks. Or maybe he's just a homer trying to get away with one.

In any case, you don't have definite information relative to the time involved, so no change can be made.


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