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Old Sun Oct 25, 2015, 02:13pm
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It may not be necessary in your opinion, but the opinion of the Powers That Be(tm) in my association is that it is necessary. Therefore, I follow the direction of the Powers That Be(tm).
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Old Sun Oct 25, 2015, 03:38pm
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Confirmation ...

My local board uses Arbiter to assign games, but our assignment commissioner still insists that we confirm all of our games with our partner, and the school.

I my case, I don't mind confirming because I don't get a cell phone signal at work, nor do I get email at work, so I make sure, in my confirmation email, that the athletic director knows exactly how to get in touch with me if there is a change in the game assignment.

Several times, over the past several years, I've received emails from athletic directors, in response to my confirmation email, that read something like, "Thanks for the confirmation email. It reminded me that I haven't contacted your assigner, or the officials, that the game time got changed to ...".



February 1, 2015

BillyMac
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Business Phone (860) 888-8888 (Ask For BillyMac)

This is to confirm that I will officiate the boys varsity basketball game at East Oshkosh High School
on Wednesday, February 11, 2015, at 7:00 p.m.

Please contact me if there is any change in the schedule. My contact information is above.
During weekday business hours, it is best to reach me at (860) 888-8888. I do not have access
to the internet, nor to email, nor do I get a cell phone signal, at work.

Sincerely,

BillyMac
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Old Sun Oct 25, 2015, 03:52pm
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My local board uses Arbiter to assign games, but our assignment commissioner still insists that we confirm all of our games with our partner, and the school.
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That should be standard procedure no matter what type of assignment system is being used.
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Old Sun Oct 25, 2015, 04:02pm
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That should be standard procedure no matter what type of assignment system is being used.
Not according to Camron Rust.

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3) actually getting officials to confirm their assignments with the schools 3-4 days before the game (this comes up at EVERY meeting).
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We don't do #3 at all. It really isn't necessary. Before the season, the schools confirm the accuracy of the games as entered in Reftown, much like officials accepting assignments. A few days before the game, the schools get automated reminders of upcoming games. If something has changed, it is up to them to notify the assignor of the change. If they don't and the officials show up anyway, the school still pays for the game and the officials still get paid. Out of thousands of games per year, it is extremely rare that an official shows up to a game that isn't there. More likely, the schools forgot to notify the assignor that a game was added.
Back, in the twentieth century, when assigning was done with land line phone calls, and the United States Postal Service, we occasionally had too many officials, or no officials, showing up at games that may, or may not, have been properly scheduled. Back then, in the olden days, it was imperative that officials confirmed games by the United States Postal Service, or by land line phone calls, to prevent mistakes.

Now that we've moved to computerized assigning, and email contacts, there is a far less likely chance for a mistake to be made, but sometimes human error will rear it's ugly head, and that's why it's important that officials still confirm their games.

I spend about fifteen minutes, every Sunday, sending emails to confirm games with athletic directors, and partners, for games coming up that week. I feel that it's time well spent.
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Old Sun Oct 25, 2015, 04:50pm
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Not according to Camron Rust.





Back, in the twentieth century, when assigning was done with land line phone calls, and the United States Postal Service, we occasionally had too many officials, or no officials, showing up at games that may, or may not, have been properly scheduled. Back then, in the olden days, it was imperative that officials confirmed games by the United States Postal Service, or by land line phone calls, to prevent mistakes.

Now that we've moved to computerized assigning, and email contacts, there is a far less likely chance for a mistake to be made, but sometimes human error will rear it's ugly head, and that's why it's important that officials still confirm their games.

I spend about fifteen minutes, every Sunday, sending emails to confirm games with athletic directors, and partners, for games coming up that week. I feel that it's time well spent.
I have been part of a situation where a college game, requiring significant travel, was double booked. Each school's assignor thought they were responsible for covering the game. We only found out because my crew chief called the school to confirm 24 hours prior. The non-working crew was still paid for the game.

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Old Sun Oct 25, 2015, 10:24pm
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I've been working basketball in my local association since 1998.

Never once have I ever contacted a school to "confirm" an assignment. Not once has there ever been a problem because I didn't do this.

Schools receive the assignments through the Arbiter, just like I do. If they've changed the schedule or haven't included a game on their schedule, it's on them to contact the supervisor.

If they don't and we show up, they are obligated by the NCHSAA to pay a full game fee.

Yes, we contact our partners to confirm uniform and travel.

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Old Sun Oct 25, 2015, 11:44pm
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I've been working basketball in my local association since 1998.

Never once have I ever contacted a school to "confirm" an assignment.
I don't confirm assignments with high schools, but I do check their web site to make sure my info matches. There have been a couple times I've had to call my assignor to make sure everything was kosher.

Also, the only time I've been in a car accident while traveling to a game, after leaving the accident and getting to the game site, it turned out there was a scheduling snafu and there was no game.

So yes, in a perfect world, we should trust no one fat fingered anything, but in reality things go wrong. And I sure would have preferred knowing ahead of time I didn't need to travel to that school instead of getting into an accident travelling somewhere I didn't need to be. My little $40 check for a not working a game didn't make up for the $200 deductible I had to pay.

BTW, I've worked in I.T. my entire adult life, I am intimately aware of how data is only good as the fingers that input it.
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Old Sun Oct 25, 2015, 03:54pm
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When in Nome, be sure to do what the Nomans do.
Here the Referee is expected to confirm first with the crew, and then confirm the crew to the AD -- email preferred, but cellphone call for any iLuddites in our midst. We are cautioned not to pummel the AD's with unnecessary emails, so we are told to do it like that and in that order. He only gets one--from the Referee.
Works great. Catches occasional errors or oversights that otherwise would've gone unchecked without that system. When guys don't do it, bad things happen. Enough so that we're probably gonna be sticking with this modus operandi.
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Old Mon Oct 26, 2015, 01:24pm
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When in Nome, be sure to do what the Nomans do.
Have you ever refereed in Nome? I have.
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Old Mon Oct 26, 2015, 01:34pm
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Have you ever refereed in Nome? I have.
No. Kenai.
Heard stories about you Bering Strait School District referees from back when ShishmarefRef was active on this forum. Travel to away games throughout an 80,000 square mile school district? Wow!
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