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NCAA-M New Rules Thread
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Rule 4-38 is going to be fun. Here is what the preface says: "This rule change clarifies that an offensive player also has verticality rights and must be given enough space by the defender to make a normal basketball move" We also now have 4-17.6.e & A.R. 89. Shooters can no longer move into the path of a forward-moving airborne defender to draw a foul.
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Maybe I'm missing something.... Last edited by BigCat; Mon Sep 21, 2015 at 05:57pm. |
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A-hole formerly known as BNR Last edited by Raymond; Mon Sep 21, 2015 at 06:12pm. |
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OK. I thought you were citing AR 89 in support of your comment. This play is different than AR 89. I guess a better way for me to say it is I would not reach that conclusion just from reading AR 89. thx
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A.R. 89 does support my comment. The grey highlighted area for A.R. 89.2 does not reference a defender jumping straight up, it references a defender jumping forward.
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1. Jumps forward into the air and A1 then jumps forward and makes contact with B1 in the air. 2. Jumps straight up in the air and A1 then jumps forward and makes contact with B1 in the air. Number 1 has the defender jumping forward and number 2 has defender jumping straight up. Do I have a different book...... |
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i was looking at the 2015 case book. i see it now....sorry
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They should have included pictures/drawings for 4-38…. I havnt had a meeting yet or looked at any video but pretty obvious they want space between players. Likely directed at the defender who tries to get in someone's grill... getting more flow/freedom of movement..4-38-1c needs a picture...
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I'll have to get back to you..im still trying to figure out the diameter of the cylinder they are trying to describe--- I can see the situation when the offense is holding the ball and defense gets soooo close. offense can't move….maybe the "get back" rule.
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A.R. 89. A1 tries a pump fake and defender B1, who is in legal guarding
position: 1. Jumps forward into the air and A1 then jumps forward and makes contact with B1 in the air; or 2. Jumps straight up in the air and A1 then jumps forward and makes contact with B1 in the air. RULING 1: Even though B1 established legal guarding position on the floor, his jump forward and toward A1 is not a legal attempt to maintain legal guarding position so that any non-incidental contact with A1 is a personal foul on B1. However, if B1’s jump forward is in a direction that he clearly would not have made contact with the shooter, and the shooter moves sideways to cause the contact, B1 has not committed a personal foul. (Rule 4-17.6.e) 2: B1 has again established initial legal guarding position and his jump into the air is a legal attempt to maintain legal guarding position as long as the jump is within B1’s own vertical plane. Any subsequent contact by A1 jumping forward and into B1 is either a personal foul on A1 or incidental contact. (Rule 4-17.6.e) Bolded portion is the new part of the case book play
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Just showing what levels of play above NF are saying about this play:
NBA (2014-2015) Case Book: 262. Offensive Player A1 pump fakes a 3-point field goal attempt and Defender B1 clearly jumps/runs to the side of A1 and would not make any contact. Player A1 jumps sideways and initiates contact with Defender B1. How is this handled? Since Defender B1 was not going to contact Player A1, a foul cannot be called on him assuming he did not reach over and hit his opponent. If the contact by A1 is marginal, meaning it did not affect B1’s ability to continue play, no foul has occurred. If the contact initiated by A1 is more than marginal, an offensive foul shall be assessed. RULE 12B - SECTION VII
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