Interesting review situation

[chapmaja]

Originally Posted by Paul L

MLB review regs, section IV, allow the replay officials to place runners and negate runs, considering whether the incorrect call affected subsequent action, etc.

"[T]he Replay Official, to the extent feasible, shall exercise his discretion to place both Clubs in the same position they would have been in had the call on the field been correct."

I thought that the catcher had plenty of time to tag R3 for a double play, and that the replay officials should have done just that. Apparently New York disagreed.

After seeing the play, I agree. The correct ruling would be to put the runner back on 3b, thus moving the runners back 1. We now have 2 outs and the bases loaded.

The one thing I don't see in the rules is the replay official can declare an out for a runner who obviously would have been out on the play had the umpires call not been reversed.

[nopachunts]

The replay official is reviewing what the coach is specifically appealing. If the replay official sees something else that the coach has not appealed, it is dis-regarded for the purpose of this appeal.

[Paul L]

Originally Posted by chapmaja

After seeing the play, I agree. The correct ruling would be to put the runner back on 3b, thus moving the runners back 1. We now have 2 outs and the bases loaded.

The one thing I don't see in the rules is the replay official can declare an out for a runner who obviously would have been out on the play had the umpires call not been reversed.

You don't think "place both Clubs in the position they would have been in" allows calling an obvious out?

My first guess would be that the replay officials did not want to call an out unless they were pretty damn sure, and they weren't.

My second guess is they didn't have the nerve.

[bwburke94]

They weren't calling the out at home, the umpires on the field already called it. They were reversing it from out to safe.

[Manny A]

Originally Posted by chapmaja

After seeing the play, I agree. The correct ruling would be to put the runner back on 3b, thus moving the runners back 1. We now have 2 outs and the bases loaded.

I don't see how that could be considered the correct ruling here. No way that the runners who advanced should be sent back just because the play at first was overturned.

I think the review official saw the same thing that was mentioned on another board. F2 assumed the force was still on since F3 threw the ball home, so he set up for the simple force play. There's no way F2 saw U1's delayed Safe call and then set up. Just look at the video four seconds into it when U1 started to make the call, and you can see that the ball is already on its way home. F2 isn't going to be looking at U1 at that point, so I don't buy the argument that F2 was negatively affected by U1's call.

And I think F3 contributed to F2's confusion by going home on the play. He knew he tagged R1, so the next logical play would have been for him to double up the BR at first, not throw home, as DG mentioned earlier. Again from the four second hack in the video, the BR hadn't even reached the runner's lane when F3 threw home. F3 could have easily beaten the BR to the bag.

I think the blame falls squarely on the defense here, not on the umpires or the review official.

[MD Longhorn]

I can see Chap's point.
I can see your point.
I can articulate my point.

This is exactly the problem with allowing replay in a situation like this one, and allowing a replay on one play affect the way athletes played afterward. There is NO right answer here, other than simply stating that replaying a play can change ONLY that play.