First year ump, confused by the number of interpretations of a balk

bob jenkins · #1 (**permalink**) Mon May 19, 2014, 09:22am

Generally, yes -- in both codes.

If F3 is "making a play" on the runner (and that's judgment), then it's legal

Robert E. Harrison · #2 (**permalink**) Mon May 19, 2014, 09:24am

It was all F3 could do to catch the ball (a la Craig Nettles)

Rich · #3 (**permalink**) Mon May 19, 2014, 09:27am

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Originally Posted by Robert E. Harrison

It was all F3 could do to catch the ball (a la Craig Nettles)

Graig.

Graig Nettles Great Plays 1978 World Series New York Yankees - YouTube

If he wasn't a .248 career hitter, he'd be in the HOF. Probably should be anyway.

Rich · #4 (**permalink**) Mon May 19, 2014, 09:25am

Just an unrelated note -- it's always legal to throw to the base, even with no fielder there.

Also, it's legal to step to second or third and throw to a fielder (F4, F5, F6) in position rather than to the base as long as F1 steps to an occupied base or to a base for the purpose of making a play.

Paul L · #5 (**permalink**) Mon May 19, 2014, 11:38am

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Originally Posted by Rich

Just an unrelated note -- it's always legal to throw to the base, even with no fielder there.

Also, it's legal to step to second or third and throw to a fielder (F4, F5, F6) in position rather than to the base as long as F1 steps to an occupied base or to a base for the purpose of making a play.

But if it's illegal to feint to third (e.g., OBR, PONY), then throwing to F5 when he is not in a position to make a play on the runner is a balk, same as F3.

Rich · #6 (**permalink**) Mon May 19, 2014, 11:40am

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Originally Posted by Paul L

But if it's illegal to feint to third (e.g., OBR, PONY), then throwing to F5 when he is not in a position to make a play on the runner is a balk, same as F3.

I work no baseball where that stupid rule is in place. Fortunately.

But you're right. If the no fake to third rule is in place, then the pitcher must throw to third with the same conditions as throwing to first. Thanks for catching that.

DG · #7 (**permalink**) Mon May 19, 2014, 10:28pm

OBR, its a balk if the feint to 3b is with runner on 1b also. A feint to 3b with no runner on 1b is nothing. This new ruling eliminates the 3rd to 1st move.

Matt · #8 (**permalink**) Mon May 19, 2014, 10:34pm

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Originally Posted by DG

OBR, its a balk if the feint to 3b is with runner on 1b also. A feint to 3b with no runner on 1b is nothing. This new ruling eliminates the 3rd to 1st move.

Wrong. Any feint to 3rd is a balk.

DG · #9 (**permalink**) Mon May 19, 2014, 10:58pm

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Originally Posted by Matt

Wrong. Any feint to 3rd is a balk.

I stand corrected upon review of the new 2014 rules.

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