Bunt and the Running Lane

[MD Longhorn]

Originally Posted by umpjim

There is always a tag attempt or the like on any double play. I believe the intervening play ruling only applies to the running lane interference example.

Intervening play also applies in some codes to the rules regarding a ball thrown out of play.

[umpjim]

Originally Posted by MD Longhorn

Intervening play also applies in some codes to the rules regarding a ball thrown out of play.

I'm not aware of any "intervening play" application for a ball thrown out of play other than the second play by an infielder. Is that what you are referring to?

Back to the intervening play and INT:

I think its important to understand that the OBR intervening play only refers to RLI after a play at home. Unfortunately, the NCAA AR does not make that clear. "A.R. 2—If the batter-runner has not touched first base at the time of interference, all runners shall return to the base last occupied at the time of the pitch. If there was an intervening play made on another runner, all runners shall return to the base last touched at the time of interference."

For example: Bases loaded, no outs, grounder to the infield and throw home (intervening play?) does not get the fast R3 who then sneaks a grab at F2 causing him to airmail the throw. R3 and the BR are called out for INT. Where do you place R1 and R2?

Or: R1, R3, no outs. Grounder to F4, throw to 2B doesn't get R1 (intervening play?) who then grabs F5's arm as he tries to throw to 1B. R1 and BR are out. Where do you place R3?

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by umpjim

I'm not aware of any "intervening play" application for a ball thrown out of play other than the second play by an infielder. Is that what you are referring to?

Back to the intervening play and INT:

I think its important to understand that the OBR intervening play only refers to RLI after a play at home. Unfortunately, the NCAA AR does not make that clear. "A.R. 2—If the batter-runner has not touched first base at the time of interference, all runners shall return to the base last occupied at the time of the pitch. If there was an intervening play made on another runner, all runners shall return to the base last touched at the time of interference."

For example: Bases loaded, no outs, grounder to the infield and throw home (intervening play?) does not get the fast R3 who then sneaks a grab at F2 causing him to airmail the throw. R3 and the BR are called out for INT. Where do you place R1 and R2?

Or: R1, R3, no outs. Grounder to F4, throw to 2B doesn't get R1 (intervening play?) who then grabs F5's arm as he tries to throw to 1B. R1 and BR are out. Where do you place R3?

The FPSR makes it clear that runners are returned TOP for these violations.

[umpjim]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

The FPSR makes it clear that runners are returned TOP for these violations.

I agree in FED and NCAA the FPSR does this. But my examples don't have a FPSR violation. So absent that, (humor me) where do you place the runners? I would use the 2.00(a) comment to return them TOP but would someone argue intervening play?

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by umpjim

I agree in FED and NCAA the FPSR does this. But my examples don't have a FPSR violation. So absent that, (humor me) where do you place the runners? I would use the 2.00(a) comment to return them TOP but would someone argue intervening play?

I think they do have a FPSR violation. If they don't then return TOI.

[umpjim]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

I think they do have a FPSR violation. If they don't then return TOI.

So, in OBR only, in the R1, R3 scenario, you would score the run if R3 scored before the INT because of the intervening play ruling?

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by umpjim

So, in OBR only, in the R1, R3 scenario, you would score the run if R3 scored before the INT because of the intervening play ruling?

No. I'd return R3 based on 7.09(f), especially: In no event may bases be run or runs scored because of such action by a runner.

(unless I'm misreading the play)

Besides, the 2.00 Interference comment specifically says "intervening play at the plate"

[MD Longhorn]

Originally Posted by umpjim

I'm not aware of any "intervening play" application for a ball thrown out of play other than the second play by an infielder. Is that what you are referring to?

Isn't that exactly the same thing? Yes, that's what I'm referring to.