WS obstruction

[soundedlikeastrike]

Wow, right call but maybe more....Could an appeal of the runner missing HP be upheld?

I missed it live and haven't seen a video angle yet that shows him touching HP though he clearly passed it. Might a stirred the pot just a little more.

[Steven Tyler]

Obstruction call gives Cards win over Red Sox in World Series Game 3 - MLB News | FOX Sports on MSN

One of those calls that are tough on an umpire, but he did call it right away which he should have.

[grunewar]

Any thoughts on the very public interview/press conference with the umps after the game? Will this get to be the norm where officials need to publically explain/justify themselves? Basketball? Football?

[Spence]

Had Middlebrooks not raised his legs would it have been OBS if the runner tripped over him?

Does the fact that he took off for him "inside" the baseline play into this at all?

[soundedlikeastrike]

Originally Posted by Spence

Had Middlebrooks not raised his legs would it have been OBS if the runner tripped over him?

Does the fact that he took off for him "inside" the baseline play into this at all?

Neither matters, contact is not required, had the runner not tripped it still would have been obs. The baseline is established by the runner, not some imaginary line, foul line, grass etc. Simply the route the runner chooses to take.

The only times a baseline matters pertain to a tag attempt and the running lane to 1B, other wise, runners can run wherever they wish.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by Spence

Had Middlebrooks not raised his legs would it have been OBS if the runner tripped over him?

Does the fact that he took off for him "inside" the baseline play into this at all?

The raising of the legs was irrelevant as stated by Joyce. The fielder needs to get out of the way after he has clearly not making a play while laying on the ground. The rule covers this very situation almost word for word.

Peace

[Spence]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

The raising of the legs was irrelevant as stated by Joyce. The fielder needs to get out of the way after he has clearly not making a play while laying on the ground. The rule covers this very situation almost word for word.

Peace

For the record, I'm not a fan of either team . I just like to understand rules.

Let me play devil's advocate.

Middlebrooks dove toward 2nd base ie in the baseline between 2nd and 3rd. If the runner hadn't run from "inside" 3rd base there would not have been contact. So what was Middlebrooks supposed to do? He was not in the baseline between 3rd and home.

It seems like no matter what he did it was going to be OBS.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by grunewar

Any thoughts on the very public interview/press conference with the umps after the game? Will this get to be the norm where officials need to publically explain/justify themselves? Basketball? Football?

I will not say never at this point, but I doubt seriously that this is something that will happen in other sports. Baseball has very few calls other then the HP umpire that makes multple calls on multiple pitches. Other sports have more calls that influence their games as a crew. I doubt that the pros would want to have officials talking about the multiple plays they rule on in a game. This might have been the only tough call Joyce will make in that game or the only tough call he will have the entire series. I just do not see it for those sports. But baseball seems to feel this is a good idea for some reason. Thank God for their sake it was a rather easy call and easy rule to explain. Other sports have other issues to consider when quoting their rules and might raise more issues with an ignorant media asking silly questions as they did last night.

Peace

[grunewar]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

I will not say never at this point, but I doubt seriously that this is something that will happen in other sports. Baseball has very few calls other then the HP umpire that makes multple calls on multiple pitches. Other sports have more calls that influence their games as a crew. I doubt that the pros would want to have officials talking about the multiple plays they rule on in a game. This might have been the only tough call Joyce will make in that game or the only tough call he will have the entire series. I just do not see it for those sports. But baseball seems to feel this is a good idea for some reason. Thank God for their sake it was a rather easy call and easy rule to explain. Other sports have other issues to consider when quoting their rules and might raise more issues with an ignorant media asking silly questions as they did last night.

Peace

Thanks JRut. You bring up several good points. Guess only time will tell which way this goes.

[Illini_Ref]

I was also wondering, as it appears kylejt is, why the dead-ball signal wasn't given. Since the runner was obstructed while a play was being made on him, shouldn't have JJ killed the play according to 7.06(a)?

[Steven Tyler]

The moderator who locked the obstruction thread doesn't really get what a moderator job is................bye, bye to this thread. I was looking forward to more discussion, maybe more insight than, "Because I said so."

The baseball forum has gotten even more absurd. Why I rarely visit. It's still to the point where only a few posters opinions matter. Nothing has changed. We just have more people with axes to grind. I won't complain to Brad, because that's what babies do in my estimation. Like it would do any good anyway. The only reason that thread got locked was because of personality conflicts.

It's become like that old saying, "Guns don't kill people. People kill people". My argument would that, "Bullets kill people." would be wrong. Irregardless I'm sure I'm the only one to blame.

I still don't see why obstruction was called being that the reason Middlebrooks was on the ground was because Craig contacted him putting him there.

Peace.

[Carl Childress]

I haven't read the thread yet. It was, by rule, Type b obstruction since the third baseman was in the base path without the ball and not making a play: The ball was already past him.

i think replay shows that Middlebrooks went prone to stop the errant throw. It's true he couldn't disappear. That is, as they say, hard cheese.

I'm going to the thread now. I've been hard at work on the 2014 BRD, on sale this week. And that's a blatant plug! (grin)

[Steven Tyler]

Originally Posted by Carl Childress

I haven't read the thread yet. It was, by rule, Type b obstruction since the third baseman was in the base path without the ball and not making a play: The ball was already past him.

i think replay shows that Middlebrooks went prone to stop the errant throw. It's true he couldn't disappear. That is, as they say, hard cheese.

I'm going to the thread now. I've been hard at work on the 2014 BRD, on sale this week. And that's a blatant plug! (grin)

I look at it not like a train wreck, but a fender bender. I see Craig using a popup slide, and contacting Middlebrooks as he was coming up.

If that was a dive, Olympic judges would have given him a. -8.0......

[Steven Tyler]

Here is the link. You get a good look at about 2 minute mark.

Obstruction call gives Cards win over Red Sox in World Series Game 3 - MLB News | FOX Sports on MSN

[Adam]

It was locked because it was going in circles and had devolved into a bunch of personal attacks and an irrelevant discussion about whether "irrelevant" is a word.

I locked it, I'll reopen it.

Keep it on topic, don't get personal with it.